Teacher Kevin Lister's court case starts today on Tribunal Tweets

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Kevin Lister, a maths teacher of 20 years, is taking New College Swindon to an employment tribunal alleging he was fired for not affirming a student's preferred pronouns.

https://twitter.com/tribunaltweets/status/1770010705019711637?t=46yG9nCCclvIz5b4-iq4cg&s=19

It could. Good point.

I’d like to see children safeguarded from those views

The second point could equally be applied to TRA teachers.

And should be IMO.

Yup. I had a sociology teacher who used to get on her political soapbox and rant about the Tories. She was a die hard Corbynite, had clear bias on some of the material she taught and singled out students who disagreed with her. Concerningly, she was also qualified to teach RE.

I cannot fathom why teachers are not being pulled up on this more, unless it's simply that no one in the class ever reports them.

Taking part in Pride isn't the same as playing football. But when teenagers refused - in a stroppy teenage way - they weren't humiliated or spotlighted or treated to a tirade.

Taking part in Pride isn't the same as playing football. But when teenagers refused - in a stroppy teenage way - they weren't humiliated or spotlighted or treated to a tirade.
I suppose that's something, but I can't muster much gratitude that they 'only' set inappropriate tasks and disciplined students for objecting but at least the punishments meted out followed school discipline policy.

My post was replying to the suggestion that TRAs should lose their jobs. I suggest they would if they behaved like the complainant in this tribunal. I illustrate my point with a real-world example of TRA in a school to compare and contrast.
Is this school unusual in its promotion of Pride? Surprised that anyone would be shocked. This is the water we swim in.

@SaffronSpice I didn't say there was a set age for Gillick Competence. I said it was usually 13.

@Aloneinmanchester why are you trying to start an argument in an empty room?

At no point have I 'defended this idiot' not once. I've just challenged your incorrect statements on safeguarding and medical consent.

Perhaps you could talk some time to practice some reading comprehension before you go off half cocked?

Thanks, I understand your point better now SaltPorridge, though not sure of the parallel. Would an equivalent to your TRA case not be more if a teacher made students participate in a GC protest event and punished those who refused?
I suppose I shouldn't be shocked but I still am at what TRAs get away with. Our school at least mostly stick to the pride club, which is optional.

Yes something like that.

Or was pressuring a lesbian by constantly saying are you sure you aren't trans.

@SaffronSpice Applying Lee vs Asher’s Baking Company Ltd to misgendering other employees is a real stretch, and doesn’t match other recent pronoun cases, nor does it appear to have been used as a precedent.

Obiter dicta are not legally binding but can be legally persuasive.

The fact is there is no case law yet on whether or not you can compel people to use pronouns that are not sex-based?

There are several take-aways for why this wasn’t the right case but the major one for me is good legal representation is essential and not just for their legal skills in court.

If someone is representing themselves we don’t know if a legal team would think it’s winnable which also means If someone is representing themselves we don’t know if they have been told it isn’t winnable and they are going ahead anyway. Since we can’t see the full details of the case and how their behaviour contributed to the problems they faced we don’t know whether it is one we should consider contributing to. KL was raising money towards expenses on gofundme, despite the way they treated Allison Bailey I feel more comfortable contributing via crowdjustice as you know there is a legal team involved.

I thought KL was naive to represent himself but I hadn’t considered he might have been arrogant enough to have be told it was unwinnable by a barrister experienced in GC cases and to pursue it anyway.

I've posted Tribunal Tweets' reporting of Kevin Lister's appeal on this thread:

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5080317-kevin-lister