Irish cancer charity's bizarre campaign "it's not just men over 40 should be aware of prostate cancer"

[Fenlandia]

https://twitter.com/MarieKeating/status/1703695529245372416

No-one should begrudge a cancer charity making sure that trans people are fully aware of cancers that may affect them, regardless of how they identify.

This passage is utter genderwoo on steroids:

"Denise is no ordinary woman. She has a trans history. What that means is that when she was born, doctors thought she was male. They were wrong. After many years of depression and struggling, Denise began her social and medical transition in her late thirties. She made her legal transition when the Gender Recognition Act came into law in Ireland in 2015 and completed her medical transition a few years later.

Having been assigned male at birth and despite surgery to correct that error, Denise has a prostate. Most transgender women do, as do some intersex and non-binary people. That’s ok. Nature is weird and wonderful sometimes. It is infinite in its diversity and combinations."

(This isn't a case of doctors struggling with to diagnose a DSD, this is just a male person who chose to have some cosmetic surgeries.)

A fucking cancer charity stating that doctors correctly identifying a male baby made a "mistake" that needed "correcting". Terrifying.

Or maybe it’s a clever plot by someone GC to peak a few more people 😄

Another charity that doesn't want any further donations.

So, she has a prostate...and a very masculine jawline.

It's the first time I have seen an issue specific to men taking a trip through the trans language mangle. It will be interesting to see if there's pushback from men who haven't yet experienced this type of erasure.

What an amazing charity, founded in memory of Ronan Keating's mother.I do think they've gone astray regarding this article but their website is amazing. If only charities wouldn't try to be on trend all the time and just do their work well.

The only ones that really exist are the ones with a prostate. Clearly, the ones you're thinking about are unpersons.

So it actually is men over forty who need to worry about prostate cancer.

Righto then.

It started as a kind of vanity project by the family to remember Marie Keating.
From memory the family could have joined the efforts of the Irish Cancer Society but choose to duplicate a charity structure so its not medical led but started as a fundraising organisation for breast cancer.

That an Irish charity is pretending that a woman has a prostate is shit. But not unexpected as the sector as a whole will be very small and captured as the government has been pushing GRC's and the Idea of Self ID for years

I'm beginning to think healthcare organisations and charities are giving up on improving the health literacy of the population, no matter what the consequences.

They'd rather adhere to an ideology than serve their populations and save health related quality of life and survival.

I find it hard to accept that people still think charities like that are worthwhile recipients of their donations.

Why can't they just say 'all men have prostates?'.We don't need the other nonsense about being assigned at birth, or mistakes,or nature being weird. And Denis should know he has a prostate.

Yep and Denise almost certainly had a pair of those when she was ‘assigned male at birth’

Most transgender women do

There will be a male shaped reason for that.

Utter nonsense from this charity. Denise has a prostate because Denise is biologically a bloke. If archaeologists dig up Denise’s bones in years to come, long after his prostate has rotted away with the rest of his soft tissue, they will identify him as male - not because the doctors made some kind of ‘mistake’ but because he is male.

Well they're right about one thing at least - Denise is no ordinary woman.

Genuinely frightening.

Before all this gender nonsense was a thing there was a push to make medical information simple and clear for the general public.

Pandering to gender ideology just makes it all the worse. How people with learning difficulties or who are relatively new to speaking English as an additional language are supposed to navigate this guff is just madness...

If this type of confusing language persists, I think in the future we’ll have girls thinking they might have a prostate, while boys wonder whether they have a cervix. Why can’t medical language be kept clear and easy to understand? Sex matters in medicine, but gender identity is a distraction.

"Denise has had to repeat her PSA test numerous times because the lab sees the label “female” and throws it in the bin, assuming an error. This is why education is so important: education for medical staff and laboratory technicians – to understand that a simple XX/XY chromosomal binary is a very narrow definition of human nature and biology."

See, this what happens when you are allowed to lie. People who don't know that you are lying believe the information that they are given and chuck what appears to be a pointless test in the bin.

It actually made me laugh but I don't identify as nice.

The doctors were wrong... Hmm... Dr Reddit is way more accurate. Of course.

Here is the Irish problem, if a bloke gets a GRC, the bloke is legal woman a legal female.
However his prostate did not sign up to the programme. So no right to state funded male health care because he promised to live as a woman and women dont need prostate healtcare.

Now if the bloke has cancer or just wants to sue the State for not processing test samples marked female the State would have to launch a Fucking Expensive legal defence.
If not as the test is a blood test and human error can result in misordered test, the State would have to commit to use limited resources on all test request errors just because a bloke decided to fake his sex on his medical record.

What is DSD?

Disorder or difference of sexual development. I've also seen VSD, which is Variation of sexual development (or possibly another vari- word). All replacing intersex, which is an older word. The problem with intersex is it makes it sound like the affected person has a sex somewhere between male and female, given that the inter- prefix usually means 'between', e.g. intermediate, interval. They don't, though. In almost all cases, a baby with a DSD will be clearly female or male in spite of the medical problem. In the very few cases where it isn't clear on sight, it will be clear once DNA testing and scans have been carried out. There are a few cases where it really is a conundrum whether the child should be brought up as female or male, given how their body is going to look and function later on, but the bad old days when doctors told parents what to do, and largely based their advice on the assumption that it was unthinkably humiliating for a boy/man to have a tiny penis, so better just let the child be brought up as a girl/woman, are gone.

Thanks @Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g

How strange. You'd think if it was an error that Denise was assigned male at birth, it would just be a matter of relabelling her female once the error was discovered. Why would Denise need surgery, I wonder?

That's what I don't get: if a (male-bodied) person has supposedly really been female for their whole life... then why are they trans? What have they transitioned from and into? Because you can be certain that no female-born person has ever had to 'transition' from anything (except a girl, if you want to be pedantic, except that's just natural development) to become a woman.

It started as a kind of vanity project by the family to remember Marie Keating.
From memory the family could have joined the efforts of the Irish Cancer Society but choose to duplicate a charity structure so its not medical led but started as a fundraising organisation for breast cancer.

Yes, I get why people want to remember their loved one in a prominent way, but the very best way they can most effectively do this is by joining with an existing charity. How pointless to have potentially hundreds of little charities all working on the exact same thing at the same time, funded by public donations.

See, this what happens when you are allowed to lie. People who don't know that you are lying believe the information that they are given and chuck what appears to be a pointless test in the bin.

Even if you don't consider it lying (although it is) and instead consider it re-assigning or transitioning, you can't expect HCPs to magically know what basic information you may have deliberately withheld from them. They're very good (most of them), but they're not psychic.

When they finally manage to force the whole 'trans-age' thing through (partly to muddy the waters even more with the 'MAPs'), there will be another layer of confusion, whereby HCPs are left testing for juvenile-specific factors when, all the time, the patient is actually 60 years old. They may be seeking to liaise with the 'young' patients' parents, when they've already since died of old age!

Same with 'trans-race': white people wasting resources in getting needlessly tested for sickle-cell anaemia; or black people who identify otherwise potentially missing out on crucial monitoring and tests.

It's funny but I just don't believe that the people who give money to that charity understand that it considers its remit to include educating medical staff that women have prostates. Well, some of them. Just guess which. Or don't.

Funny thing is, I've "enjoyed" numerous encounters with Righteous Souls On The Right Side Of History who, at convenient points in their tap-dancing goalposts of Righteousness, are very adamant that 🤡 NoBOdY iS SaYinG tHaT HuManS cAn cHanGE SEX 🤡

If Bad Souls like me then point out that loads of their fellow Righteous are saying exactly that, the Righteous response is something along the lines of 🙈🙉 and that my act of highlighting such sayings is The Real Bad Thing.

Bloke here. With an annoying - but non malignant prostate gland. My Dr said if cancer was diagnosed surgery would be a last resort unless it was aggressive and fast growing. It is in a bloody awkward spot and surgery entails a risk of incontinence and of course , erectile disfunction. She also said how many older men are embarrassed to come to a clinic until it is already too late.

Not going to lie - I was embarrassed when she gave me a digital rectal exam. So was she, poor woman , I later discovered . When I greeted her in the supermarket she blushed. Now if an ageing hippie like me is feeling awkward about medical problems ' down there' , consider some poor old farmer - maybe a lifelong bachelor? So thank you , Marie Keating Foundation for fuzzing up the message.

One other thing - do the victims of ' reassignment surgery ' actually know they still have a prostate? They don't seem very well informed in general. It's far easier to castrate a man than to remove his prostate gland.