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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions
BonfireLady · 23/08/2023 09:57

Wow. What a sad and awful situation for Al.
But also yes, @MrsOvertonsWindow this could easily have set a precedent for EHCPs had the judge not reached a sensible conclusion that care under the EHCP had been appropriate.

When I read the link from RegisterRex, para 9 also leapt out at me. The health section of our daughter's EHCP now includes the safeguarding on gender identity exploration (we have a table of needs and provisions, with the provisions then reflected again in the relevant section). I had to fight really hard for this, including lots of pre-work to make sure it was admissible. It has to come from a professional, otherwise it's just a parental opinion, which carries no weight whatsoever when it comes to what the needs and provisions should be. The parental opinion comes in to review whether a school which says it can meet the needs (i.e. provide the provisions) is the right school for the child. That's way down the line as by this point the document is already written. You're allowed a small window to review the document before it becomes finalised but otherwise it's only professional opinion that counts.

Being a looked after child, it's highly unlikely that Al would have anyone advocating and doing all the research first to understand how this could be done. I even had conversations with Transgender Trend to see if there was any precedent. I dug around in other places too but drew a blank every time.

So without that safeguarding there, Al was left to understand their "gender identity" from whatever perspective made sense to Al. It's worth noting that the EHCP only applies in school settings, even though it's a health need. I also use my own version of the safeguarding document (a standalone version, not the whole EHCP) in health settings. Every single time. My daughter doesn't go to any appointment with a new health professional until they've seen and agreed to the safeguarding document. It's not always formal agreement (e.g. CAMHS won't do this - I've got a whole story about that .. it's been a while since I posted that link. If anyone is interested, I can post again) but it's a conversation between the health professional and me. So far, many of the people I've spoken to in the health profession seem very glad to have the conversation.

And lastly... Poor Al. Al is a sad example of the impact of this on looked after children.

LyingontheGrassonSundaymorningofLastWeek · 23/08/2023 10:10

So if AI cannot live independently - are they living in a single sex male placement? Despite being so vulnerable, and er, female?

Tallisker · 23/08/2023 10:18

Looked-after children should have a LAC healthcare team involved which should provide fast-track access to healthcare provision as needed. It's been a long time since I was involved in this area so I can't say how captured the teams will be, but given the state of the rest of the NHS I wouldn't be surprised if they are cheerleaders for getting these vulnerable children into the affirm-everything system.

Tallisker · 23/08/2023 10:21

And BonfireLady I just wanted to say how fabulous you've been in getting protection written into your daughter's EHCP.

Would you consider looking into working with Transgender Trend or similar to provide a template/toolkit for other parents going through this?

BonfireLady · 23/08/2023 10:27

Tallisker · 23/08/2023 10:18

Looked-after children should have a LAC healthcare team involved which should provide fast-track access to healthcare provision as needed. It's been a long time since I was involved in this area so I can't say how captured the teams will be, but given the state of the rest of the NHS I wouldn't be surprised if they are cheerleaders for getting these vulnerable children into the affirm-everything system.

I suspect you're right.

I think the figure from the Tavistock data (they don't have much data, as was heard and then commented upon by the judge in Keira Bell's judicial review) is that 10% of all GIDS referrals are looked after children. When you then layer on the autism referrals (35% with diagnosis, 48% if you also include the undiagnosed that have been recognised as autistic by GIDS clinicians), that's a very skewed picture. Also layer on the fact that the autism charities all seem to think that gender identity is innate, rather than the consequence of an autistic person struggling to understand their body/feelings... Poor Al. Al stood no chance.

And yes, totally @LyingontheGrassonSundaymorningofLastWeek if that's the case re the accommodation. Al is and remains vulnerable. A. vulnerable, disabled female in a male accommodation setting. What could go wrong.

Poor Al has had no real advocacy or care at any stage and was, by the sounds of things, gaslit in to fighting in the courts for the protection in law of one of the very problems that was causing Al harm.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 23/08/2023 13:13

I can't help wondering which professionals / charity workers have such skewed values that spending many thousands of £££ on gaslighting this vulnerable young person to enter into a pointless court case was deemed preferable to funding support for & tackling the major personal / housing and addiction problems that AI has?
Why does nobody ever say to these people - "no ,children are not to be used to fight your ideological battles"

RedToothBrush · 23/08/2023 14:12

As a young male will they deprioritised for housing over a young female?

happydappy2 · 23/08/2023 15:39

Have just seen Stephanie Davies-Arai discussing this case on GB News-as she rightly says, this young vulnerable person, with PTSD, bought up in care, with a history of violent behavior & substance misuse, will be left with a beard for life, no breasts & no doubt extra trauma in the long run. She was referred to adult services by Tavistock at age 14-why? How is giving this young female testosterone going to help with her existing mental health issues? Am really hoping this story gets lots more sunlight as it's so awful, she is let down by the very people who should protect her.

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MrsOvertonsWindow · 23/08/2023 15:43

happydappy2 · 23/08/2023 15:39

Have just seen Stephanie Davies-Arai discussing this case on GB News-as she rightly says, this young vulnerable person, with PTSD, bought up in care, with a history of violent behavior & substance misuse, will be left with a beard for life, no breasts & no doubt extra trauma in the long run. She was referred to adult services by Tavistock at age 14-why? How is giving this young female testosterone going to help with her existing mental health issues? Am really hoping this story gets lots more sunlight as it's so awful, she is let down by the very people who should protect her.

And because the BBC & ITV have been so captured by the trans lobby, they won't be covering a case like this - that people should know about.
The failure of the Tavistock to address severe levels of trauma in a child & the exploitation of an exceptionally vulnerable young person by adults using them for their political agenda should be headlines.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 23/08/2023 19:55

Pleased to see that the Times as ell are now covering this and clearly highlighting the appalling conduct of the Tavistock. Share token:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/50a6889a-41a0-11ee-bbc9-3b59a60ab59b?shareToken=65b95fe7a86a6ce662999bd4628e783a

BonfireLady · 23/08/2023 23:17

MrsOvertonsWindow · 23/08/2023 19:55

Pleased to see that the Times as ell are now covering this and clearly highlighting the appalling conduct of the Tavistock. Share token:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/50a6889a-41a0-11ee-bbc9-3b59a60ab59b?shareToken=65b95fe7a86a6ce662999bd4628e783a

Good to see. At some point the BBC and Guardian will have to concede that this kind of stuff is actually news.

happydappy2 · 24/08/2023 09:44

Yes comments for the article have been turned off. How can anyone defend this?

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