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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

First Direct and Natwest closing bank accounts for political reasons inc being gender critical

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Snorkers · 30/06/2023 15:47

Apprently First Direct have closed the account of the Wings over Scotland founder for his beliefs (He's Gender Critical), and Coutts, owned by Natwest, closed Nigel Farage's account.
Whatever you think of Nigel Farage he is entitled to a bank account.

This is really worrying.

I bank with First Direct. I am gender critical. Do I need to hide my beliefs to keep my bank account? Will tey stop me getting access to my money?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12249755/Nigel-Farage-claims-three-loved-ones-bank-accounts-closed-Brexit.html

Are banks shutting accounts of customers with anti-woke beliefs?

Mr Farage has not named the bank who plan to shut his personal and business accounts this summer, but is understood to be Coutts, the famous 327-year-old private bank whose clients include the Royal Family.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12249755/Nigel-Farage-claims-three-loved-ones-bank-accounts-closed-Brexit.html

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NeighbourhoodWatchPotholeDivision · 05/07/2023 13:24

There is only one reason to be nonchalant about the slide towards a social credit system, and that is if you think our current society in the UK is as good as any human society can possibly get and you are happy to sacrifice people in other nations.

If you think our society cannot ever improve, it makes sense to want financial institutions to halt social change in any direction, in an attempt to freeze attitudes of this time. However, accepting this behaviour in the UK from banks and building societies will lead to normalising this behaviour internationally; you can't turn around and act surprised when banks in other countries follow this precedent by suppressing same-sex marriage campaigners, or the accounts of activists resisting logging in the Amazon.

So, do you think the UK is perfect as it is? Do you think climate change campaigners should sit down and shut up? Animal welfare campaigners? Disability rights campaigners?

If you think there is a single live political issue that merits action, then you should be against any institutional attempt to fossilise us in this cultural point in time too.

IcakethereforeIam · 05/07/2023 13:32

'Cosplay'😂

If he identifies as a vicar, he is a vicar, bigot!

DerekFaker · 05/07/2023 14:56

Yeah...how are social credit systems going in China?

"Liu Hu is a journalist in China, writing about censorship and government corruption. Because of his work, Liu has been arrested and fined — and blacklisted. Liu found he was named on a List of Dishonest Persons Subject to Enforcement by the Supreme People's Court as "not qualified" to buy a plane ticket, and banned from travelling some train lines, buying property, or taking out a loan."

" "There was no file, no police warrant, no official advance notification. They just cut me off from the things I was once entitled to," he told The Globe and Mail. "What's really scary is there's nothing you can do about it. You can report to no one. You are stuck in the middle of nowhere." "

https://www.wired.co.uk/article/china-social-credit-system-explained

Chinese blacklist an early glimpse of sweeping new social-credit control

System would rank each of the country’s almost 1.4 billion people based on all-around trustworthiness

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/chinese-blacklist-an-early-glimpse-of-sweeping-new-social-credit-control/article37493300/

BestBadger · 05/07/2023 15:42

IcakethereforeIam · 05/07/2023 13:32

'Cosplay'😂

If he identifies as a vicar, he is a vicar, bigot!

To be fair, when it comes to alt-right grifters, I am a bigot. I didn't fight in two world wars to have my God given right as an Englishman to practice bigotry taken away by the WEF, globalists and the WWE.

IcakethereforeIam · 05/07/2023 15:44

Just two?Grin

NeighbourhoodWatchPotholeDivision · 05/07/2023 16:12

IcakethereforeIam · 05/07/2023 15:44

Just two?Grin

Gotta give respect where it's due. My own great-grandfather only managed to fight in the first one, the shirker.

ifIwerenotanandroid · 05/07/2023 17:59

SerendipityJane · 05/07/2023 07:57

It also emerged yesterday that NatWest is allowing staff to go to work identifying as men and women on different days as part of LGBT-friendly measures. The bank has offered double-sided lanyards to staff who identify as non-binary, meaning neither male nor female.

It's the logical destination for all this tomfoolery. Certainly if I wanted to stick a pin in the inflatable monster it's become and start a slow deflation.

And since gender is a spectrum it seems rather oppressive to only allow 2 sides. Really a cylinder would be more appropriate.

Just read this in the Times, & I'm mystified. Surely the identity which is being offered double-sided lanyards is genderfluid, not non-binary?

As I understand it, non-binary people do not identify as male or female EVER, & see themselves as existing outside the gender binary. They would not therefore identify as a woman on Monday & a man on Tuesday. They would not need a double-sided lanyard because while their gender expression may or may not change, it will not involve using gendered social norms.

Have I got this right? If not, what's the exact definition of non-binary?

And when they say lanyards, do they actually mean identity cards? I was visualising blue on one side, pink on the other side of the lanyard itself - is it just a card with a different photo on it? And even then this is odd, because surely one can identify as a man while looking like a traditional woman, & vice versa, so e.g. a man who identifies as a man on Monday could come into work on Tuesday looking exactly the same as on Monday & identify as a woman. Or anything else - surely one might need more than two sides to one's lanyard if one were genderfluid?

How many staff id cards say whether the holder is male or female, even what their title is, unless it's a professional title? Do staff id cards have pronouns on? What's the point of all this?

Imnobody4 · 05/07/2023 18:31

Claire Fox had her bank account closed by Metro

Baroness Claire Fox tells Mike Graham that her Metro Bank account closed down “without explanation.”

“When I looked at the small print, banks say they can close your account if you don’t agree with these values… My God, I could have any bank account closed at any time.”

Just thinking the same - I'm with Santander, will have to read the T & Cs

Claire Fox Tells Mike Graham That Her Bank Account Was Closed “Without Explanation”

Banks should not be allowed to close customers’ accounts because of their views, Rishi Sunak has said.The Prime Minister said the right to free speech had to...

https://youtu.be/6CkKVjMq6HM

IcakethereforeIam · 05/07/2023 18:39

NeighbourhoodWatchPotholeDivision · 05/07/2023 16:12

Gotta give respect where it's due. My own great-grandfather only managed to fight in the first one, the shirker.

I'm impressed he's keeping up with modern tech. He must be over 120 yo by now (not your great grandfather, whoever I was replying to initially).

BestBadger · 05/07/2023 19:10

IcakethereforeIam · 05/07/2023 18:39

I'm impressed he's keeping up with modern tech. He must be over 120 yo by now (not your great grandfather, whoever I was replying to initially).

I said I didn't fight in two world wars...

IcakethereforeIam · 05/07/2023 19:12

My apologies.

BestBadger · 05/07/2023 19:24

IcakethereforeIam · 05/07/2023 19:12

My apologies.

No need. I won't be fighting in the next one either.

IcakethereforeIam · 05/07/2023 19:27

We have something in commonSmile

Yorkshirelass04 · 05/07/2023 20:07

They might have identified a money laundering / source of funds risk. There are strict penalties for this type of infringement now.

Imnobody4 · 05/07/2023 20:23

And they might not.

Yorkshirelass04 · 05/07/2023 21:43

My guess for Farage is that they have done customer due diligence and aren't happy with the source of funds.

VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia · 05/07/2023 22:08

BestBadger · 05/07/2023 12:45

I'm enjoying the banks turning the screw on the foreign alt-right funded grifters. From Farage, Fox to the anti-trans movement and the climate change deniers. I have no confidence they'll do enough to shut them down and there are bigger targets they should be going after but, it's nice to see them sweat. It makes a change from them freezing Trade Union funds.

I expect the Bank of Farage to be set up shortly along with the Church of Calvin the cosplay vicar.

Are you also enjoying the RBS closing the account of the Equality and Human Rights Commissioner for Scotland?

The pro-women and pro-child groups who've been denied banking aren't foreign-funded. Stop with the smears.

Be careful what you wish for. The next account they close might be yours.

Coyoacan · 06/07/2023 03:54

@BestBadger

Oh yes, the banks, those wonderful left-wing organisations and the poor man's friend.

I want to always be on the other side from the banks.

DerekFaker · 06/07/2023 07:09

BestBadger · 05/07/2023 19:10

I said I didn't fight in two world wars...

You said you didn't fight in them TO HAVE blah blah blah the implication being that you had fought in them.

We get it, it was a 'joke'.

BestBadger · 06/07/2023 07:57

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IcakethereforeIam · 06/07/2023 08:37

Note to self: never share a joke with Jerry Farber without insisting on a citation.

Imnobody4 · 06/07/2023 09:47

I missed this story from June.This needs to be sorted by the ombudsman with heavy penalties. People shouldn't have take a bank to court.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/cddbd704-151b-11ee-b768-bb6d328f2d92?shareToken=c4ba780574ae80f6c1cb76d4ee98673a

Barclays has agreed to pay more than £20,000 in compensation after it was accused of caving in to LGBT activists by closing a Christian ministry’s account in a row over conversion therapy.

Barclays Bank pays out £20k for closing Christian account

LGBT groups pressured bank over link to conversion therapy

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/cddbd704-151b-11ee-b768-bb6d328f2d92?shareToken=c4ba780574ae80f6c1cb76d4ee98673a

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 06/07/2023 09:54

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Aren't jokes supposed to be funny?

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