Telegraph: Patients may be guilty of discrimination if they refuse care of transgender medic, NHS bosses told

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A report by the NHS confederation is in today's Telegraph. A good example of how a hierarchy of EDI seems to have been cultivated, with disabled people right at the bottom. Anyone who's had a parent or grandparent with dementia will be upset to read that parts of the NHS want to be able to refuse to provide care to their loved one because their comfort comes last.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/06/09/nhs-patients-discrimination-transgender-staff/

"Patients may be found guilty of discrimination if they refuse the care of a transgender medicc_, according to new NHS guidance.
Health bosses have been warned that patients have no right to be told a healthcare worker’s assigned sex at birth.
However, transgender health workers can choose not to treat patients if they feel uncomfortable doing so, the report by NHS Confederation says.
The report, published earlier this month in partnership with the LGBT Foundation, says patients can only request care from a same-sex staff memberr_ in limited circumstances, such as if they are having an intimate examination.
It states that when a patient requests an employee administering care to be a woman or a man, “the comfort of the staff member should be prioritised”.
Patients with dementia ‘should be challenged’

The report goes on to say that “the patient has no right to be told that the person treating them is trans or non-binary,” adding: “It would likely be discriminatory for the patient to refuse to be treated or cared for by a trans person, unless clear and evidenced clinical harm may result to the patient.”
Patients with dementia “should still be challenged” if they express discriminatory views about transgender staff, the 97-page guide states, while their relatives “may be removed from the premises” if they do the same.
But a non-binary medic can refuse to treat a patient, with the advice stating they “should not be forced to deliver care if this would cause undue distress or invalidate their lived experience of gender”.
It comes as the NHS published its first equality, diversion and inclusion (EDI) plan, which outlines that organisations are to include “diversity training on gender reassignment and sexual orientation” within mandatory training for healthcare workers."

Note how these kinds of changes and policy documents pop up in places like health. You never see the National Driving Centre issuing demands that learner drivers fall into line or else. Or the NHBC. Or the ACA.

It's all in places where women are vulnerable and/or children are captive.

No.

We do care about what the guidance says. That is why we are engaging with it.

In the paragraph from the document I quoted earlier, I asked you what your understanding of the word 'female' is in this context.

"A female member of staff who has medically transitioned needs to shower at the end of her shift. She feels unsafe using the women’s showers because other women know her trans status and have made belittling comments in the past. As using the men’s showers would be unsafe and inappropriate, she requests use of a private cubicle in which to shower. Her manager, recognising the nuance of the situation, allows this."

There is a difference of interpretation on the thread. I believe that the 'belittling' remarks/'unsafe' 'inappropriate in the men's' framing only makes sense in an LGBTQ+ context if it is being used to refer to a biologically male person.

I'm curious. Do you actually think it refers to a biologically female hcp? Or is the guidance literally using the words female, she, her and 'other women' to refer to someone born male?

Well boo fucking hoo trans gendered NHS staff it's not about you is it , the bottom line here is the patient's needs when did that become secondary ? . If it's all about the narcissistic attention and applause you get as a man attempting to mimic the life of a women perhaps Rupauls drag race would be a more fitting career! I refuse to have my health needs and my safety as a women when using the NHS bulldozed for the sake of a lie .

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100% this ^

They are shit let's try again

That's as good as i can get it. Second page

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My dementia addled 87 year old mother didn't know me or my sister. Said things like 'who's that' when visited by very old family friends.

She bloody well knew the difference between a man and woman when they came to do personal care though!

Surely patients have the right to refuse care by anyone? Isn't patient choice a thing?

I wouldn't have an issue with a trans doctor etc but I may take issue with them performing intimate care - I'd prefer a female nurse for that. And surely it's my right to have a same-sex attendant for that.

If not what are they going to do? Hold me down and force me to allow them to clean my vagina? Aka sexual assault?

So there are two types of HCP; those with empathy and those without. I went to A&E with what turned out to be a sub-peritoneal cyst. All I knew was it hurt like fuck and I couldn't pee. The doctor who came to examine me was a man. His immediate reaction was to apologise that a woman doctor hadn't been assigned and offered me the choice of being examined by him with a chaperone or waiting a few minutes while he found a woman doctor. I was past caring and I'm not personally concerned about being examined by a man but the point was that his default was that it was my choice.

Bless her . Scares the shit out of me of what life is going to be like in the future getting old is scary enough I'm far from near it I can't believe I'm having sleepless nights over the fear it gives me as a women .

Great post. You've nailed it.

I actually think the 25 staff who signed off on this document's recommendations should be looked at very carefully in terms of their record around patient care and there should be questions asked about their suitability to work in the jobs they hold within the NHS. Because the recommendation for forced touching without consent in a healthcare setting and framing the vulnerable patient as the one in the wrong for requesting single sex care, and the demand that patients disclose their abuse history is rape culture, let's be honest.

Not to mention the wholly inappropriate attempt to force a patient who has dementia to lie about the evidence of their eyes and ears, further destabilising their sense they can rely on their perceptions and quite possibly worsening their condition - in my experience stress / distress exacerbates the symptoms of dementia. So the HCP in this case will be doing the opposite of what they're employed to do.

Stonking letter from the Baroness. They're demanding harm to hundreds of thousands of patients - and already causing distress to patients by the very publication of this document as can already be seen on this thread - because of the demands of 25 people (who don't even understand the Equality Act) based on a survey of 118. Bonkers.

This is such a good point. It really tells you what the underlying agenda is, doesn't it?

The Times:

Patients have no right to know if their doctor is trans, says NHS guide

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/fe588554-0633-11ee-9bf2-8ca4db35d928?shareToken=3d05831cb79f3e5c254f8fbd80a72726

It was women who were disproportionately affected by the lockdowns and this is the thanks we get?!

Just thank your lucky stars that you don't care who treats you.

And remember it's luck..unless of course you believe that I was somehow at fault for being ill in hospital and somehow invited the assault by the dr who was supposed to be treating me?

Great letter from the baroness

Not sure if this has already been posted on the thread, Helen Joyce doing an amazing job tearing this guidance apart on Talk TV earlier today:

https://twitter.com/HJoyceGender/status/1667221123610624020

I was interviewed on Talk TV today about the shocking new guidance from the NHS Confederation on how medical staff's special identities should be allowed to override patient consent. From 1:10:12 here. When I say I'm livid, I'm understating how I feel

My mum is 89 with dementia. Two of her carers in her home are male and they occasionally bathe, toilet and dress her. She's not bothered anymore. She just really likes them. I don't think she'd be bothered by a trans person, either, if they were nice to her.
But if any doctor wanted to challenge her on anything, well, good luck with that. 😂😂😂 They'd soon be calling me back into the room.
I sometimes wonder if these people have any knowledge of what they're talking about.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/06/09/rishi-sunak-transgender-single-sex-spaces/

dimorphism · Yesterday 19:48

You've made some very important and sadly, horrible points there. I'm really just head in hands.

"A female member of staff who has medically transitioned needs to shower at the end of her shift. She feels unsafe using the women’s showers because other women know her trans status and have made belittling comments in the past. As using the men’s showers would be unsafe and inappropriate, she requests use of a private cubicle in which to shower. Her manager, recognising the nuance of the situation, allows this."

This is hideously muddled. 'Female', aka 'afab' clearly? That would make sense given that it's so inappropriate for her to use the men's. So why is this very 'pretend PC' document calling an 'Afab' trans person (a transman?) 'she' rather than 'he'? OK so they actually mean male who is trans identifying. So now men can be women and males can be female? rendering both words absolutely meaningless.

The person who wrote this does not understand dementia and has said some abusive shit.

oh good.

I suppose one positive thing about this horrible document is that it’s now hard for a reasonable person to deny that the Equality Act needs to be clarified.

And another positive thing is the timing, a few days before the debate on that subject.

And at least they have made it clear to everyone paying any attention that TRAs are happy to stomp all over everyone else’s rights with their size twelve stilettos and won’t stop unless grown-ups make them stop.

And the people paying attention now include people who have relatives with dementia - an absolutely massive population that TRAs had previously failed to reach despite years of valiant obnoxiousness, and despite the very premise of the trans movement being dehumanising to people with dementia (are you still a woman if you’ve lost your identity?)

I wonder if the LGBT Foundation might have done a good thing against their will, though only because Sex Matters did a fucking amazing thing with their hard work on the petition first.

So sorry this happened to you, I didn't mean to say anything to cause offence. I see what you mean and just meant if someone is qualified and good at their job you would expect professionalism with a position of trust. Like in all areas sadly this clearly isn't the case, some spoil and abuse it.