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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

IPSO - Consultation on the reporting of sex and gender identity

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Justme56 · 09/02/2023 18:16

Not sure if this has been highlighted on another thread. The consultation on the new draft guidance is open for 4 weeks till the 10th March 2023.

www.ipso.co.uk/what-we-do/consultations/public-consultation-on-guidance-on-reporting-of-sex-and-gender-identity/

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EndlessTea · 18/02/2023 18:44

Bump

FemaleAndLearning · 18/02/2023 20:37

Women's Right Network will be putting some guidance out very soon, no date so watch this space I guess. They have GI as protected characteristic!

IPSO - Consultation on the reporting of sex and gender identity
PriOn1 · 18/02/2023 20:53

The new guidance seems clear as mud to me, but I guess it’s very difficult if they are (indirectly) guided by court protocols which have been written by transactivist extremists.

pattihews · 18/02/2023 21:30

Thanks for this, OP. I started a similar thread linking to the IPSO consultation last week but had only a couple of people post and it same like a stone. Good to see this one gaining traction.

Vebrithien · 26/02/2023 15:17

Have filled this in and submitted.

In the final section, I wrote about the news today about how transgender males would no longer be housed in the female prison estate, if intact or convinced of violent or sexual offences. I used this as an example of where biological sex is important to be referred to, as well as gender identity.

EndlessTea · 06/03/2023 15:12

The deadline is this week!

Imnobody4 · 06/03/2023 17:06

I think this is the WRN submission.

www.womensrights.network/_files/ugd/18f02a_b73a95401c1f4701815af7eec9fb0bb5.pdf

Imnobody4 · 06/03/2023 17:09

This is link to their website if that link doesn't work. (Not used to using my phone)

www.womensrights.network/

ExiledElsie · 06/03/2023 20:26

Agree that it's all as clear as mud. They don't address when someone's sex should be used or someone's "gender identity". They don't define their terms.

I don't think there is any clarity from those guidelines as to what is acceptable.

ExiledElsie · 06/03/2023 21:16

Here's Sex Matters' response

sex-matters.org/posts/updates/ipsos-updated-guidance-our-response/

TheBiologyStupid · 06/03/2023 21:52

ExiledElsie · 06/03/2023 21:16

Thanks - that's a brilliant response!

Imnobody4 · 09/03/2023 16:03

Just bumping - not long left.

SinnerBoy · 09/03/2023 16:15

ExiledElsie · 06/03/2023 21:16

Here's Sex Matters' response

They seem to be unimpressed and with good reason.

The draft guidance states that it “strikes a balance between the rights of the public to freedom of speech and the rights of the individual not to face personal discriminatory abuse”. But it encourages an expansive conception of what might constitute “discriminatory abuse” that will have a chilling effect. While the previous guidance asked editors to consider in relation to trans-identifying people: “Is the terminology being used pejorative or prejudicial?” the new guidance goes further, warning that:

“References to someone’s gender identity and/or sex may be pejorative, even in the absence of any pejorative term.”

It is highly irresponsible to give such vague and sweeping encouragement for self-censorship when journalists and the media are under intense pressure from lobby groups not to report clearly and accurately on sex and gender issues.

^Overall, we think the current draft fails to improve on the flawed guidance published in 2016. In fact, it is worse.
It is so vague, and so unrelated to the issues that arise in practice, that it is unlikely to provide any meaningful support for editors and journalists seeking to stand up to lobbyists’ demands that they cast aside accuracy.

EndlessTea · 09/03/2023 17:43

Just submitted myself!

There is no way to save your progress in the form. I tried the other day and then my device ran out of battery - the whole thing was wiped.

Make sure you are fully charged or plugged in before you type.

You don’t need to answer everything- your voice is important. 🙂

ClaphamSouth · 09/03/2023 20:32

Just submitted my response and would encourage everyone to have their say sooner rather than later - it closes at midday tomorrow.

It's short but there is plenty of room for getting your opinion down.

ahagwearsapointybonnet · 09/03/2023 21:57

Bump!

PaleBlueMoonlight · 10/03/2023 10:06

Final bump

EndlessTea · 10/03/2023 10:09

Yes. Write in, even if it is just quickly and you don’t want to answer all fields.

SlipperyLizard · 10/03/2023 11:11

Done! I found the Sex Matters response posted upthread useful for filling it in with some comments at short notice!

dimorphism · 10/03/2023 11:14

Yep, clear as mud and conflates gender identity and sex throughout. This was an important bit of my response - but I added a lot more too, but thought this might be helpful to others. I may have also quoted Orwell!

"Reporting someone who is one sex as if they are another is not accurate, and is misleading.The majority of people still use sex-based pronouns and most readership will assume that pronouns are sex-based unless explained clearly that this is not the case. In cases where someone's gender identity is at odds with their sex then both sex and gender identity should be reported and it should be very clear if pronouns used are not sex-based."

TheBiologyStupid · 10/03/2023 11:59

Phew! Finally submitted just before the deadline. The Sex Matters response was very helpful (I meant to do the consultation a few weeks ago but was struggling to formulate my ideas and got put off). Looking forward to seeing the outcome - hopefully a thorough rewrite!

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