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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Argentina, gender self-id and risk to women

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Foilball · 02/06/2022 09:13

I thought this was an interesting article. 10 years ago Argentina passed the world's first law allowing trans people to change legal gender on demand. There were/are concerns that this would put women at risk.

Officials say data shows no rise in violence against women.

"We haven't had situations of violence from our travesti and trans sisters," said Candelaria Botto of Ecofeminita, one of the country's most prominent feminist groups. Other feminist groups FEIM, ELA and Colectiva La Revuelta agreed.

Greta Pena, a senior policy officer at Argentina's equality ministry, said there was no evidence of any rise in violence against non-trans women since the law was passed.

The article also says that one trans woman (of 12,655 who changed their legal gender) was convicted of sexual abuse and cites 2 instances (over a 10 year period) of men 'abusing the loophole' to go to women's prisons.

www.openlynews.com/i/?id=21757767-4909-4844-922f-41903ff042f8

Obviously there are differences between Argentina and the UK. The differences between life expectancy for trans people here Vs argentina seem stark, with those in Argentina sadly dying much earlier and having less access to employment.

I'd be interested to hear thoughts - whether people find this reassuring, or not relevant at all.

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Emotionalsupportviper · 03/06/2022 17:45

*give an inch - I don't know where the "inch" disappeared to

grey12 · 03/06/2022 18:04

EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 03/06/2022 14:05

But maybe I'm mistaken

It doesn't matter whether you are mistaken or not. We don't get to give away rights on behalf of other women because individual women don't care about them.

There are many women who do care about sex-based rights, their protected characteristic as women of faith who may have substantial religious and cultural restrictions on being present with a member of the other sex class, or the social understanding that, for example, single sex spaces women's respect right to dignity and privacy.

Good point

I said maybe I'm mistaken because tbh this argument is new and there are nuances that I'm not knowledgeable enough or that I haven't consider enough to talk about. So I do like to be enlightened about different aspects and different arguments 😉

Ereshkigalangcleg · 03/06/2022 18:26

Hoy en día, a casi cinco años de la Ley de Identidad de Gé- nero en la Argentina, manifestar la identidad autopercibida lleva a que aproximadamente el 98% de las personas travestis y trans no acceda a un trabajo formal y un 79% de las personas travestis y trans caiga en las redes de prostitución como único ingreso económico, lo^ cual acarrea mayor exclusión y vulneración, alcanzando un prome- dio de vida de 35 años. Por este motivo, pensar en las compañeras que superan esta edad es pensar en sobrevivientes.^

The Revolution of the Butterfiles report is quoted as a primary source of statistics in one report, but they are just referring to the well known and false "life expectancy of 35" claim, or alternatively they refer to the other Argentine report mentioned where a large proportion of the sample were HIV positive MTF, most were in prostitution and a considerable majority died of HIV related illnesses.

Foilball · 03/06/2022 19:27

Inamuddle36 · 03/06/2022 16:42

Some of the information about Argentina in previous posts is misleading.
yes, abortion was only legalised in 2020, but only three countries in all of Latin America legalised abortion before Argentina (Cuba, Guyana and Uruguay) so it is not an outlier in its continent.
The literacy rate in Argentina is 99% and does not differ significantly, if at all, between men and women.
Argentina has had two female presidents and currently has a female Vice President (who is a former President) — not necessarily an indicator of women’s rights but suggests it is not as “macho” as some posters seem to think.
(I have worked in Argentina and have friends and distant relatives there so have some knowledge of the country — both faults and virtues).

Thank you for sharing your knowledge of the country.

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