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Big update on Rape Crisis legal challenge

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IamSarah · 29/04/2022 13:29

I know many of you have been waiting for an update so first of all thank you for your patience and the many messages of support.

I am suing Survivors Network, the Sussex Rape Crisis service, as it refused to offer a single sex women’s group in addition to the mixed sex women’s groups. By mixed sex I mean inclusive of any males who identify as women.

I’ve been granted anonymity due to the sensitive nature of the case and it was submitted to Brighton County Court today.

I am being represented by law firm Didlaw and my Barrister is Naomi Cunningham (Chair of Sex Matters). So far they have acted pro bono which I am incredibly grateful for as it has taken a lot of time. The team are confident I have a good case but this is unchartered territory for women’s rights.

Many of you have very kindly offered to be involved and help with gardening. I don’t think I’m allowed to share details on here so please go to my Twitter page http://twitter.com/SarahSurviving/ which has all the info in a pinned post.

Of you’re not on Twitter feel free to send me a DM for more information on how you can help the case. Any publicity you can give the crowd funder would really help.

Thank you everyone.

Sarah x

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ImherewithBoudica · 04/09/2022 14:13

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Thelnebriati · 04/09/2022 21:41

I don't think speculation about the CEO's children is going to help Sarah's case at all.

IamSarah · 04/09/2022 22:13

Agreed Thelnebriati

I shouldn't have mentioned her child at all and feel v uncomfortable about speculation.

I was just trying to understand why she is so invested in trans inclusion and dismissive of women's needs.

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Thelnebriati · 04/09/2022 22:58

I think it would be a good idea to report all those posts and ask MN to redact them.

AmaryllisNightAndDay · 04/09/2022 23:37

Just wanted to send support @IamSarah I know women who are very caring and also strongly prioritise trans needs and they just don't see that as a problem for women. To me they are well meaning but mistaken. Flowers

FastAndStillFurious · 05/09/2022 00:21

Thelnebriati · 04/09/2022 22:58

I think it would be a good idea to report all those posts and ask MN to redact them.

As someone who has posted about this, I agree.

Like Sarah, I would really like to understand why the CEO takes the stand she does. But I agree that our speculation isn't helpful or appropriate.

I will report too.

RobinMoiraWhite · 05/09/2022 10:06

FreudayNight · 04/09/2022 08:37

Well That’s a Bonus,

para.19 is a recent commentary on RMW’s work.

That banner really makes it clear that there are some individuals who are sexually aroused by forcing themselves into women’s spaces.

Absolutely saying the quiet bit out loud. Hopefully Naomi Cunningham can do a dissection similar to those completed by B.C. with those in charge whilst they are giving evidence.

I have watched with increasing amusement, the comments about my supposed involvement with the bundles in the Bailey case. Amusing, because it is an exercise in 'Groupthink' not having the slightest foundation. Long ago, on one of the Bailey threads, a contributor pointed out that barristers don't get involved in producing bundles but her accurate comment did not fit the narrative and so was ignored.

It hasn't been appropriate to comment until now but I received my client's permission to do so. I would respectfully suggest that those who have repeated this baseless canard think seriously about why they have done so - I have my views.

As it happens, you have quoted a useful part of the Bailey judgment. Paragraph 20 refers to the chronology that I produced after evidence closed which the tribunal did find of some small assistance.

TTFN

Robin White

Helleofabore · 05/09/2022 10:12

Is posting here Robin White just letting Sarah know that you are able to post here, is that the point?

Helleofabore · 05/09/2022 10:15

I mean, aren't you representing the people Sarah has a court case against?

And yet, you are here posting?

RobinMoiraWhite · 05/09/2022 10:17

Helleofabore · 05/09/2022 10:12

Is posting here Robin White just letting Sarah know that you are able to post here, is that the point?

No. The only point is to correct an inaccuracy, which has been widely circulated on this site and repeated here, about the Bailey case.

And perhaps to suggest to some that repeating as fact things they actually have no knowledge of, has its downsides.

TastefulRainbowUnicorn · 05/09/2022 10:18

Are barristers allowed to post on support threads for the person they’ll be cross-examining?

It’s a very tasteless and creepy thing to do in these circumstances, regardless of whether professional ethics allow it.

Helleofabore · 05/09/2022 10:19

RobinMoiraWhite · 05/09/2022 10:17

No. The only point is to correct an inaccuracy, which has been widely circulated on this site and repeated here, about the Bailey case.

And perhaps to suggest to some that repeating as fact things they actually have no knowledge of, has its downsides.

You might consider it an ant of 'only point is to correct an inaccuracy' but I think your actions can be considered in other lights.

DialSquare · 05/09/2022 10:19

And perhaps to suggest to some that repeating as fact things they actually have no knowledge of, has its downsides.

Irony klaxon

DialSquare · 05/09/2022 10:23

It is quite handy to have a live demonstration of exactly why Sarah is doing this though. Inappropriate intrusion seems to be a staple for some people.

Helleofabore · 05/09/2022 10:24

Boundaries don't seem to mean anything.

WeBuiltCisCityOnSexistRoles · 05/09/2022 10:28

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WeBuiltCisCityOnSexistRoles · 05/09/2022 10:29

Although I do think this should be cached by someone more technically competent than me obviously

ArabellaScott · 05/09/2022 10:29

It hasn't been appropriate to comment until now

It's still utterly inappropriate.

ArabellaScott · 05/09/2022 10:32

Hope you're okay, OP. Flowers

We are all here for you. This is a support thread for OP.

Just a wee reminder to anyone trying to settle scores on here or insinuating themselves into a space that they're clearly not welcome in. FFS.

sanluca · 05/09/2022 10:37

ArabellaScott · 05/09/2022 10:29

It hasn't been appropriate to comment until now

It's still utterly inappropriate.

Enough to get the person in question removed from the case?

InsertPunHere · 05/09/2022 10:37

Hang in there, Sarah. All the amateur gardeners here are rooting for you.

Toboggan · 05/09/2022 10:48

sanluca · 05/09/2022 10:37

Enough to get the person in question removed from the case?

I'd say it's arguably "discreditable conduct", against the Bar Standards Board rules?

Helleofabore · 05/09/2022 10:52

Probably best not to speculate on Sarah's thread though.

ArabellaScott · 05/09/2022 10:52

I don't know, Toboggan. I find it astonishing that a solicitor has apparently asked and been granted permission to post this on Sarah's thread:

'I have watched with increasing amusement...'

but that's out of a general sense of moral propriety, not a legal one.

Cailin66 · 05/09/2022 10:54

RobinMoiraWhite · 05/09/2022 10:17

No. The only point is to correct an inaccuracy, which has been widely circulated on this site and repeated here, about the Bailey case.

And perhaps to suggest to some that repeating as fact things they actually have no knowledge of, has its downsides.

As a barrister you didn't produce the bundles. But as the legal representative of your client you are the one responsible for the bundles are you not?

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