Good Morning and Lil Owen

[SamphirethePogoingStickerist]

Is he on every day? I've only never read him before. But OMG is he so very confident that he is right in every bloody subject under the sun?

Yammering, finger pointing, "I'm a plastic Northerner, betrayed my working class roots - so my opinion is more valuable", over talking, raising his voice to talk over the female guest, Ella?

She was quite good, little eye rolls and at one point said something about idiots accompanied by a very slight hand movement in his direction 🙂

But mostly, even when only listening, nor realising who he was, I found him really objectionable.

Sorry, just musing. Second car ownership is not necessarily a feminist issue. But OJ talks over, shouts down a woman on any random subject probably is!

He is fairly objectionable.

Am I remembering rightly that Owen criticised women for having cleaners ... while having a cleaner?

I have a vague memory of that!

But, to be honest, I am still sat here trying to digest the fact that he said, out loud, as a rebuttal to Ella Whelan, "I'm a plastic Northerner, grew up in Stockport and betrayed my Northern heritage..."

I have a vague memory of that!

But, to be honest, I am still sat here trying to digest the fact that he said, out loud, as a rebuttal to Ella Whelan, "I'm a plastic Northerner, grew up in Stockport and betrayed my Northern heritage..."

I am glad I stopped clicking trying to post through another bloody Opps message!

When it comes to LOJ, put it this way, I'm very confused as to how someone who is "working class" manages to have a mother who did a degree at LSE in the '70s.

No-one, and I mean no-one, in the working class communities I grew up in had a parent who had gone to university in the 70s. In fact, it was very unusual to have a parent that had stayed on at school to do A levels because working class households generally needed the extra wage from 16 onwards throughout the 60s and 70s.

That is what working class meant then.

It's also a pretty weird jump to have a "working class" child in the 80s who manages, somehow, to get to Oxford. Such a path is still virtually impossible for most Northern working class children; they just don't live in areas with the schools that enable them to get to an academic point where they have a chance at the GCSE grades to even qualify for the A levels to even get the grades to consider Oxbridge.

Whatever working class roots LOJ has, they are buried so deep as to be virtually meaningless. Which is probably why some of the things he says about working class people are so utterly bizarre and bear no resemblance to the people in my own community.

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The cleaner incident must have been just over two years ago. Sarah Ditum had an entirely understandable moan on Twitter about how hard life had become for working mothers since lockdown, or at any rate for her, as she now had to try to combine writing with homeschooling and also all the household stuff which normally she had some help with, because she and her partner were able to afford a cleaner. Her partner was WFH, and I don't think she was implying that he wasn't pulling his weight, but of course people love to pick holes in anything anyone says if they have been unwise enough to admit to not living on the breadline in a hairshirt. Some people said why didn't she insist her teenagers helped out around the house (because we all know how easy that is), and others were very sniffy that she thought it was acceptable to pay another person to do menial work. The latter group included LOJ, whose followers, stuck at home and bored, as they were mostly not key workers (I suspect), piled onto poor Sarah with utter glee. For some reason, the revelation that OJ and his flatmates employ a cleaner did nothing to turn their venom back onto him. Odd.

I know of women from working class backgrounds who went to university in the (early) 1970s. I am not saying it was usual.

LOJ went to school in Cheadle Hulme.
Working class - ha ha ha
He also thought he might make use of 'broody lesbians'

Yes, but the point is would you describe their children as working class? My mum's parents were both working class - manual/low level agricultural workers and domestic servants - but she went to teacher training college and had a teaching career, and my dad had a managerial career, even though he wasn't a graduate. I couldn't have claimed to be working class on grounds of my roots.

Yeah, and a "passionate hatred of injustice and bigotry" but only if he can define who the oppressors are!

Sorry, I don't really know what that means. Is it posh?

So his mother didn't just go to university but was a university lecturer when OJ was born? His parents may have held very left-wing political views, but I don't see how he can claim to have had a working class upbringing. That's so far removed from the experiences of working class families in the 80s.

and what is a 'plastic northener'?

Oh, found it. www.collinsdictionary.com/us/submission/16089/plastic+Northerner

'a fake Northerner ie one who was born in the North of England but relocated to the affluent South'

I think a child who grows up wc but manages to go to university, even Oxford, still had a wc up-bringing. Chances are they won't be wc as an adult.

But that is not OJ.

Maybe he is thinking back farther? Which is funny, I had an ancestor back about six generations, who was a butcher, his grandson founded a bank and was a cabinet minister. So was the grandson a working class guy? (I wish I could claim to be whatever a rich banker is but alas, it doesn't seem to work in that direction.)

orunette · 26/04/2022 11:13
When it comes to LOJ, put it this way, I'm very confused as to how someone who is "working class" manages to have a mother who did a degree at LSE in the '70s.

No-one, and I mean no-one, in the working class communities I grew up in had a parent who had gone to university in the 70s. In fact, it was very unusual to have a parent that had stayed on at school to do A levels because working class households generally needed the extra wage from 16 onwards throughout the 60s and 70s.

That is what working class meant then.

It's also a pretty weird jump to have a "working class" child in the 80s who manages, somehow, to get to Oxford. Such a path is still virtually impossible for most Northern working class children; they just don't live in areas with the schools that enable them to get to an academic point where they have a chance at the GCSE grades to even qualify for the A levels to even get the grades to consider Oxbridge.

Whatever working class roots LOJ has, they are buried so deep as to be virtually meaningless. Which is probably why some of the things he says about working class people are so utterly bizarre and bear no resemblance to the people in my own community.
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SamphirethePogoingStickerist · 26/04/2022 11:16
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Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 26/04/2022 12:31
The cleaner incident must have been just over two years ago. Sarah Ditum had an entirely understandable moan on Twitter about how hard life had become for working mothers since lockdown, or at any rate for her, as she now had to try to combine writing with homeschooling and also all the household stuff which normally she had some help with, because she and her partner were able to afford a cleaner. Her partner was WFH, and I don't think she was implying that he wasn't pulling his weight, but of course people love to pick holes in anything anyone says if they have been unwise enough to admit to not living on the breadline in a hairshirt. Some people said why didn't she insist her teenagers helped out around the house (because we all know how easy that is), and others were very sniffy that she thought it was acceptable to pay another person to do menial work. The latter group included LOJ, whose followers, stuck at home and bored, as they were mostly not key workers (I suspect), piled onto poor Sarah with utter glee. For some reason, the revelation that OJ and his flatmates employ a cleaner did nothing to turn their venom back onto him. Odd.
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PaleBlueMoonlight · 26/04/2022 13:18
I know of women from working class backgrounds who went to university in the (early) 1970s. I am not saying it was usual.
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Redshoeblueshoe · 26/04/2022 13:22
LOJ went to school in Cheadle Hulme.
Working class - ha ha ha
He also thought he might make use of 'broody lesbians'
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Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 26/04/2022 13:24
Yes, but the point is would you describe their children as working class? My mum's parents were both working class - manual/low level agricultural workers and domestic servants - but she went to teacher training college and had a teaching career, and my dad had a managerial career, even though he wasn't a graduate. I couldn't have claimed to be working class on grounds of my roots.
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SamphirethePogoingStickerist · 26/04/2022 13:26
Yeah, and a "passionate hatred of injustice and bigotry" but only if he can define who the oppressors are!
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DomesticatedZombie · 26/04/2022 13:27
Redshoeblueshoe
LOJ went to school in Cheadle Hulme.
Working class - ha ha ha
He also thought he might make use of 'broody lesbians'
Sorry, I don't really know what that means. Is it posh?
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skilpadde · 26/04/2022 13:27
So his mother didn't just go to university but was a university lecturer when OJ was born? His parents may have held very left-wing political views, but I don't see how he can claim to have had a working class upbringing. That's so far removed from the experiences of working class families in the 80s

This . Didn't happen. My parents left school at 14 in the late '40s.
My brother was first in the entire family to go to uni as he was a superboffin Maths type. I was the first (and for many years,only ) female in the family to get to uni in the 2000s. Last year my niece got to uni so that's another female. The other side of the family ,none of them have went by to uni. Owen is making it up as he goes along as our culture and our misery, if you like , is fetished by the Owens ,the Bastanis and Sarkars . Only the completely limited opportunities, the misery of poverty and deprivation and the grinding despair if failing to meet your full potential is omitted in LOJ's version. He's a horrible wee knowfeckall.

I am a Plastic, by the same definition. It's not something my family still in Liverpool say. Nor anyone I know who has also moved South.

People who use the phrase tend to be taking the piss or, as with LOJ, being sefl deprecating so you can 'feel' his truth.

Oddly, despite having moved away I am not necessarily a Plastic Scouser as I was born within the City boundaries. But most of the rest of my family who still live in Liverpool are Plastics as they weren't, many, like my sister, are Woolybacks.

So it's all Territorial Pissings anyway

So his mother didn't just go to university but was a university lecturer when OJ was born? For the last 22 years, since he was 15, she has been Professor of Intelligent Virtual Environments.

She sounds amazing. Wonder what she feels about him using his 'gender neutral' upbringing to so denigrate women?

LOJ went to school in Cheadle Hulme. Working class - ha ha ha

You are all a bunch of Trans(class)phobic bigots.

Someone with a very similar upbringing and sense of identity to The Youtuber Owen Jones wrote about their experience in this blog: feministsunknown.wordpress.com/2014/08/17/i-am-uberpoor/

Educate yourselves.

For the last 22 years, since he was 15, she has been Professor of Intelligent Virtual Environments.

Sounds like a salt of the earth Machine Learning Specialist. His Dad was a lowly Senior Union Official and his grandad a bog standard Commander in the Merchant Navy.

Cheadle Hulme. There be dragons. Really fancy comfortable dragons.

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I know his mum. Think Owen multiplied by a thousand in terms of TWAW/queer theory/patronising /the worst of the Left(and I'm a lefty) / talks down to working class people/women. Dm if you like .