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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Most Britons want conversion therapy banned, including that aimed at transgender people

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JC544D · 18/04/2022 23:08

Two-thirds of Britons (65%) say conversion therapy where people seek to change someone’s sexual orientation should be banned, while 62% say conversion therapy to change someone’s gender identity should be banned. Only 14% say each practice should not be banned, while 22-23% are unsure.

yougov.co.uk/topics/lifestyle/articles-reports/2022/04/12/most-britons-want-conversion-therapy-banned-includ

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Helleofabore · 20/04/2022 11:22

Maybe you can tell us while you are here Disgusted, what are the protections in the currently proposed legislation that protects therapists and parents from being charged with 'conversion therapy' when it is exploratory therapy that has been used?

Since you are so very well versed in this topic, and all. Well, enough to try to shame people who are discussing it anyway.

We will happily wait for your answer.

Signalbox · 20/04/2022 11:44

Neverreturntoathread · 19/04/2022 12:32

What I would absolutely love to see banned is Stonewall, Mermaids, etc telling little boys that if they like pink and glitter and long hair then they are girls and should cut off their balls, and telling little girls that if they’re good at sports and like trousers they should hack off their hair and take drugs to make themselves infertile. That is conversion therapy. If you read up on the history of trans activism then you will se that its roots are in Victorian gender stereotypes and misogyny.

The government is unable to find a way to ban conversion therapy for trans issues without simultaneously banning the attempts by trans activists to transition little kids, because legally that’s the same activity: two sides of the same coin.

Ban conversion therapy for trans issues? Fine with me. Stonewall and Mermaids will find themselves facing a lot of lawsuits…

You are right that this law could potentially backfire on the likes of Mermaids and Stonewall and all the internet influencers, and schools pushing Queer Theory and transing children without the knowledge of parents, and therapists affirming gender identity in young people who have been bullied for being same sex attracted, and parents who admonish their boy children for playing with dolls or girl children for wanting to wear their hair short. I'm not sure why these people can't see that this law may apply to them as much as anyone else trying to harm or manipulate a vulnerable young person.

SamphirethePogoingStickerist · 20/04/2022 16:49

DisgustedofManchester · 20/04/2022 10:54

Also add

"What is transphobia" if you don't know what conversion therapy is.

Its bizarre that people protest the ban but don't actuallly know what is being banned

Well, seeing as OP turned out to be a Plopper (no surprise there) maybe you could explain it @DisgustedofManchester

You see, as you very well know, haveing been round trhese parts a while, it isn't posters here who have no idea. It's those that demand things.

So for anyone inetrested in protecting trans individuals from harmful therapies in law a few things are required.

A definition of transgender, for the law to presume upon. Or do we just take the Stonewall Umbrella dn presume that it means anybody and everybody, changing daily?

You know we ask the question not because we are clueless but because there is no actual answer, let alone one that could be used in law.

And the the term 'conversion therapy' Again, what would that include doesn't mean people don't know what conversion therapy is but the law would require specifics. As many therapists and GPs, teacher etc have said, the law as proposed by Stonewall et al would have included the mere act of asking a bloody question? That can't be right, not in any world.

So what is meant by 'conversion therapy'? And don't come back with the ECT mess. Because some of us here know what thatactually is and how it is used these days. The horrors of the last century, 50 years ago, have notr existed for a long, long time.

So no, if left to the Stionewal et al defintion of conversion therepay nobody has the foggiest idea what it means. Which is why it was leftout of the bill.

The same people who helped draft that bill, had the changes made, many posters here and elsewhere ALL know what conversion therapy is for homosexuality. We know who is likely to carry it out and upon whom and what it is likely to include.

Because we are neither stupid, ill informed or deliberately misleading!

Your turn...

SamphirethePogoingStickerist · 20/04/2022 16:51

My sincere apologies for all the typos. Arthritic fingers have got cold again!

SamphirethePogoingStickerist · 20/04/2022 17:45

Oh poo! I lost my Tumbleweed meme!

💤💤

thirdfiddle · 20/04/2022 18:40

OTOH adults can wear what they want.

Not always. Is it conversion therapy if you identify as a furry and your employer won't let you wear a cat onesie to work? Or if you identify as a woman and your employer won't let you wear stilettos and fishnets? Just what are adults allowed to declare to be necessary aspects of expressing their gender and what aren't? Given gender is yet to be defined in law, I don't think it's all that clear. What about if you're in prison and can't demand new clothes and wigs at will? Or in the police and and you're not allowed purple hair and green fingernails?

Organictangerine · 20/04/2022 18:49

I think these are the votes of a breezy, uninformed, ‘sure why not #bekind’ variety who don’t understand the complexities behind this issue. Like when Owen Jones says ‘most people support self ID’. On the surface it looks like a simple question to answer, sure why not let people be who they want? However once the actual consequences of self ID are explained the support drops…

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