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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Rachel Meade, Social Worker, being suspended for 'transphobic' Facebook postss

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MidCenturyClegs · 13/01/2022 14:58

A social worker, Rachel Meade, is in the process of challenging Social Work England - their professional regulatory body - as she believes she may have discriminated against her due to gender critical beliefs.

This is because during the GRA consultation, she shared posts on her private FB page, from FPFW, WPUK & Standing for Women, among others. These were being secretly screenshot by an ex colleague who then sent these to Social Work England, claiming that the posts were from groups who were discriminatory in nature, transphobic and who wanted to remove trans rights.

SWE decided that this was the case and sanctioned her, leading her employer to investigate her for gross misconduct. They placed a public Fitness to practice warning sanction on her record for a year. She has been suspended by her employer as a result of Social Work England's decision and will be facing a disciplinary process which she has been told may end in her dismissal.

She is taking both Social Work England and her employer to a tribunal; this is a really important case as if she wins, it will clarify in law that not only are employers bound to protect gender critical beliefs under EA2010, but Regulatory bodies are bound by it too.

This will mean that all regulatory bodies will have to recognise that the gender critical beliefs of their registrants/members are protected in law. This will cover social work, healthcare & law as well as any other areas covered by regulatory bodies so will have far reaching effects.

I have heard that she may be setting up a crowdfunder but obviously this is not the place to advertise that, but if people wish to donate should be easy to find.
Just saw that the Times have covered this too.

twitter.com/EmilieCCole/status/1481638709724270593?s=20

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RepentMotherfucker · 13/01/2022 22:56

I know this is off topic but to clarify the gun the girl guide leader is holding in the photo is a BB gun. It fires small plastic ball-bearings and is legal (and would be permitted by the Girl Guides if used by their rules).

No I definitely think we can't talk too much about that person.

So when that person offered to show that person's 'tits' to anyone who wanted to see them on the internet (admittedly probably quite a small subsection of the general internet population) that was also permitted by the Girl Guides?

I mean it clearly was because they have done absolutely fuck all about it but I suppose that only leads to us wondering if there was a reason why that person was able to do this and get away with it when a woman would have been packing her woggle almost immediately? What could that reason possibly be? (Spoiler - it's a penis)

prudencepuffin · 13/01/2022 23:00

. I have always been a
feminist and on reflection I feel that I may have been swayed by the mistaken view
of other prominent feminists who felt that promoting transgender rights would
impede on women’s rights. This was a gap in my knowledge base and this training
has shown me how to work in a much more inclusive way”

I am guilty of wrong think. I will repent and repeat the correct mantras in future.

Wheresthebeach · 13/01/2022 23:03

@ScreamingMeMe

This is ridiculous. Surely, in light of Maya's case, if all she has been doing is expressing gender critical views, she will have every success with this?

This snitching to people's employers (it only took ONE complaint?) has got to stop. It's so vindictive.

It’s the new McCarthyism. Shocking. Poor woman. Off to find crowdfunder and write another letter!
Wheresthebeach · 13/01/2022 23:05

@User1isnotavailable

There is a shortage of social workers.

No wonder with this crap to deal with. Trans woman are trans women and trans men are trans men. It's biological fact that you cannot change your sex, your DNA, your chromosomes. You can pick and chose your gender to what you want to be but fact is fact and time to stop with this rubbish.

Yep
Wheresthebeach · 13/01/2022 23:10

@VelvetChairGirl

*So people who support trans ideology need to shut the fuck up when talking to women? I've never seen anyone ruder than a trans supporter TBH and would welcome them being penalised for sending death and rape threats and talking about women as if our bodies are commodities. They are demanding the right to be rude according to their perspective with impunity.

More ridiculous nonsense demanding that women do the 'being nice' and not talk to others the way they are spoken to.*

But we are not allowed to be protected in law, hating on women is perfectly legal no matter how much we get murdered and beaten etc, they refuse to make misogyny a hate crime because they are misogynists themselves and they know it.

Misogyny is so popular at the moment. Driven by male entitlement, porn and reduction of being a woman to body parts and a state you can stop and start for as long or short as wished
PostGradStudentSW · 13/01/2022 23:22

I am as my name suggests a 2nd year mature student SW at an RG Uni.

I am also firmly GC.

SWE are the regulatory body and much like the GMC can withdraw a Doctors ability to practice, they can do the same for a social worker (assuming proper procedure is followed to do so).

The case examiners issued her a one year warning with stipulations on what actions she needed to take to address their concerns (such as diversity training/education and reflection).

She had the choice to accept this (which she did) or take her chances with a full hearing.

However, in addition to this sanction her employer (the local authority) have suspended her and she risks being dismissed.

This suggests (though I can't confirm) that RM's decision to accept the findings of the case examiners was on the basis that was the end of the matter and she did not anticipate further sanctions/disciplinary process from the LA.

As such she now wants to sue both SWE and the LA (Westminster).

The timing of Maya's case is of interest and it is possible that it's ramifications had not filtered down to the case examiners.

However, there is still a lack of clarity here.

The case examiners report gives very little detail of what she posted on social media (70 posts were reported to SWE).

There's a distinction between holding GC beliefs and posting/re-posting something that is offensive (and doing so repeatedly).

There's a lot of assumption here that the issue IS her GC beliefs but without the details of what exactly she's posted that's possibly premature.

As we saw with the Harrop case (and no I'm not suggesting she RM has doxxed/harassed anyone on SM) it's not about what side of the debate you are on, but how, as a regulated professional you express those beliefs.

It's one thing to say "self I.d. must consider the implications for safeguarding" for example or "women have the right to single sex spaces under the Equality Act" and quite another to post something that implies TW/TM are child sexual predators (as did one of her posts in referencing guides/scouts).

In training we are made very aware of the need to be considered about what we post online.

That's not just in relation to gender ideology but anything "controversial" from religion, Brexit to party politics etc

That's because the relationship between a SW and a service user has to be based on trust if it's to be successful - and that's very difficult (nigh impossible) if the service user knows you hold very different values to them (even if it did not impact your professional practice whatsoever).

Yes it was a private SM account but as RM has found, you can't make assumptions about the values other people hold and their determination to make yours public even if that was not your intention.

I firmly believe that RM has the right to hold a GC position and I do not think that automatically means she would be unfit to work with Trans people any more than an atheist SW could not support a person of faith.

I think any SW has not just the right, but the duty to flag any concerns they have over safeguarding and not to have to be fearful of doing so.

But, I also think you have to expect that as a professional SW you need to be mindful of how anything you post in SM could impact other peoples perception of your ability to practice.

So where do I stand here?

I honestly don't know without seeing exactly what she had posted, without further clarification on what grounds the LA are continuing disciplinary action and if the case examiners were motivated in their sanction by her beliefs alone or by they way she expressed them.

I know that might not be a popular post here being a regular (though I've NC'd for this post) but it's where I stand based on the info I have at the moment runs away to don my tin hat Smile

MrGHardy · 13/01/2022 23:22

The social worker supporting a petition to stop a charity supporting gender-diverse children and young people, delivering training to the police, schools and public services. - "training" = indoctrination. "supporting" = brainwash children
• Sharing fake news that a convicted child murderer was seeking gender reassignment. - if fake news were grounds for firing, most of us should be fired. At some point we all shared someone that was not correct.
• The social worker sharing the following: - “Boys that identify as girls go to Girl Guides...Girls that identify as boys go to Boy Scouts...Men that identify as paedophiles go to either”. This post appears to be conflating being transgender with being a paedophile." - no, it doesn't. It is saying both of these have awful background checks that do a bad job at preventing predators accessing children. As has been evidenced, even quite recently iirc

"not only those from the transgender community, but others, would have concerns about the social worker’s ability to act in an anti-oppressive manner which values the diverse lived experience of others" - yea, this says it all. could they have added more buzzwords? anti, oppressive, values, divers, lived experience. It's just ideological drivel, empty words. And the logic is just dandy, using it, an atheist is oppressing religious people the same way a GC is 'oppressing' a gender ideologists by rejecting gender ideology.

MrGHardy · 13/01/2022 23:26

"actions she needed to take to address their concerns (such as diversity training/education and reflection)." re-education camp.

"There's a distinction between holding GC beliefs and posting/re-posting something that is offensive" - there is a meme out there from the Lion King stating "look simba, everything the light touches is transphobic". "something that is offensive" has no more meaning in today's world when the woke create oppressed groups and at the same time say any oppressed group can just call something "offensive".

MrBIobby · 13/01/2022 23:28

@barleybadminton

Another important finding

"The social worker engaged in a pattern of discriminatory behaviour which
persisted over an extended period. The social worker maintains that they did “not
fully read or analyse their content before posting”. Case examiners are concerned
that the social worker failed to fully read or analyse the content of their posts.
The reputation of the profession relies on its members behaving in a manner both
at work and in their private life that consistently demonstrates that they can think
through their actions and understand the impact both for the profession and the
wider public. Case examiners are of the opinion that not only those from the
transgender community, but others, would have concerns about the social
worker’s ability to act in an anti-oppressive manner which values the diverse lived
experience of others"

The social workers manager had no concerns whatsoever about the social workers ability to work in an anti discriminatory manner. And the content which was shared by the social worker does not reach the threshold of discrimination, it in fact demonstrates the social workers commitment to safeguarding. SWE has not been the registering authority for long. It has also had a woke takeover. It will be interesting to see how this pans out. I suspect your hopes of this decision remaining will be dashed.
PostGradStudentSW · 13/01/2022 23:33

yea, this says it all. could they have added more buzzwords? anti, oppressive, values, divers, lived experience. It's just ideological drivel, empty words. And the logic is just dandy, using it, an atheist is oppressing religious people the same way a GC is 'oppressing' a gender ideologists by rejecting gender ideology.

I think in fairness it would depend what that atheist is posting on social media about religion and/or people of faith.

Lovelyricepudding · 13/01/2022 23:35

It seems SWR have deemed safeguarding to be transphobic then as anyone with an ounce of concern for safeguarding would think Mermaids should be closed down.

PostGradStudentSW · 13/01/2022 23:39

@MrGHardy

"actions she needed to take to address their concerns (such as diversity training/education and reflection)." re-education camp.

"There's a distinction between holding GC beliefs and posting/re-posting something that is offensive" - there is a meme out there from the Lion King stating "look simba, everything the light touches is transphobic". "something that is offensive" has no more meaning in today's world when the woke create oppressed groups and at the same time say any oppressed group can just call something "offensive".

I agree "offensive" is subjective.

I didn't suggest otherwise, but as a regulated professional I think you have to be careful about how you express your views and of those listed in the report, there were a couple I did wince at, whilst also being surprised why others might have been considered inappropriate.

MrBIobby · 13/01/2022 23:41

@Lovelyricepudding

It seems SWR have deemed safeguarding to be transphobic then as anyone with an ounce of concern for safeguarding would think Mermaids should be closed down.
Exactly. It will be interesting to see how this plays out. Social work England do not appear to be fit for purpose.
Whatiswrongwithmyknee · 13/01/2022 23:45

Supporting a petition which prevents gender ideologies spreading their cult like propaganda in schools and to the police is grounds for praise not diaciplinar action in my opinion. This is a safeguarding stance which should always be commended.

Enough4me · 13/01/2022 23:47

The crowdjustice donations are around £12,400. I have donated and willing she gets enough to see this through. It's highlighted on the Times article chat too.

PostGradStudentSW · 13/01/2022 23:58

@Whatiswrongwithmyknee

Supporting a petition which prevents gender ideologies spreading their cult like propaganda in schools and to the police is grounds for praise not diaciplinar action in my opinion. This is a safeguarding stance which should always be commended.

Something I wholeheartedly agree with and can't fathom why that was cited as a specific example of inappropriate conduct.

That they did so is very worrying in terms of the understanding of what organisations like Mermaids and Stonewall actually lobby for/train/advise on the part of SWE.

I want to see this case have it's day in court, though I'm sorry for the toll it will take on RM.

What I am cautious about however is the assumption that everything she posted was appropriate in a professional context and whilst we can argue about what constitutes "offensive" I think the post about guides/scouts crossed a line for example.

Lovelyricepudding · 14/01/2022 00:18

Many people would consider Christian beliefs offensive. What some seem to be suggesting here is posting 'happy Christmas' on their Facebook page, sharing some biblical verses about Jesus with their church friends, and offering to pray for another friend should be grounds for discipline for a social worker. I find that terrifyingly close to Pakistan's notorious bladphemy laws.

The ECHR does not distinguish between holding a belief and manifesting it and makes clear any restrictions on manifesting a belief must be proportional and the minimum necessary for a democratic society. The actions of SWE go against this.

PostGradStudentSW · 14/01/2022 00:46

@Lovelyricepudding

Many people would consider Christian beliefs offensive. What some seem to be suggesting here is posting 'happy Christmas' on their Facebook page, sharing some biblical verses about Jesus with their church friends, and offering to pray for another friend should be grounds for discipline for a social worker. I find that terrifyingly close to Pakistan's notorious bladphemy laws.

The ECHR does not distinguish between holding a belief and manifesting it and makes clear any restrictions on manifesting a belief must be proportional and the minimum necessary for a democratic society. The actions of SWE go against this.

Where has anyone said anything like that?

Datun · 14/01/2022 00:47

I've dug. As pp have pointed out, we don't know the extent of the comments.

The examples given are perfectly justifiable, imo.

But I'm more than happy to pay for sunlight. Let's see exactly was is and what isn't deemed acceptable. Let's see exactly why and let's all talk about it on here, on tv, the radio, in all the papers, and in Parliament.

For days.

Money well spent.

PostGradStudentSW · 14/01/2022 00:55

@Datun

I've dug. As pp have pointed out, we don't know the extent of the comments.

The examples given are perfectly justifiable, imo.

But I'm more than happy to pay for sunlight. Let's see exactly was is and what isn't deemed acceptable. Let's see exactly why and let's all talk about it on here, on tv, the radio, in all the papers, and in Parliament.

For days.

Money well spent.

I've also had my shovel out, despite what some posters might think is a "lukewarm" response to the information.

Sunlight is important and it's vital to understand the motivation (capture??) behind SWE's and the LA's actions.

I am just cautious because we don't know exactly what was posted.

Motorina · 14/01/2022 01:07

@PostGradStudentSW I agree, and I think you've summarised things very nicely.

The information we have is extremely limited, not least because we haven't seen the posts. But we do know that Rachel Meade accepted that her posting pattern was sufficiently far from what would be considered acceptable by her colleagues as to amount to misconduct.

Had she not accepted that, her case would have progressed to a full hearing, where her representatives could have argued her posts were reasonable.

She chose not to do so.

I can totally understand why any professional would feel enormous emotional pressure to accept the reprimand and make it all go away. But, by doing so, she admitted that what she did was misconduct.

It seems disingenuous for her to now be saying that SWE "improperly sanctioned" her. It leaves me feeling really uncomfortable; like she told her regulator one thing and is fundraising by saying something else.

I've dug, and dug deep, for lots of people I've learned about through this forum. But, much as I sympathise with her, on the basis of what I know at the moment, this is one plot I won't be digging in.

Enough4me · 14/01/2022 01:08

What was written on the crowd justice page seemed to show a well balanced person; hopefully this is the case. I think she is brave to openly ask for help.

PostGradStudentSW · 14/01/2022 01:28

@Motorina

Thank you.

However I think you might have articulated my unease better than I did myself.

There is a disconnect between what is posted on the crowdfunding site and the case examiners report.

We can't magic that away.

The reasons as to why that is so are unclear as are the ramifications re: the likelihood of success in a case where she has already agreed to misconduct.

As such I can understand why your spade remains in the shed.

I'm happy to garden on this one in the hope that whatever the outcome it sharpens SWE's focus on GC beliefs being protected in law but I'm not betting on this being a "win" for RM.

Feministwoman · 14/01/2022 01:29

I've dug. Good luck to her

MrBIobby · 14/01/2022 07:06

The reasons as to why that is so are unclear as are the ramifications re: the likelihood of success in a case where she has already agreed to misconduct.

It's a reasonable consideration. However if the allegation she initially faced turns out to be an unlawful accusation, then it doesn't matter whether she accepted it or not. The main point is whether the accusation should have been levied at her by SWE in the first place. Did SWE act appropriately? I agree that there may be some points that may be considered to be problematic. I know which ones they will be. But there are other points, such as her right to like, share petitions, like posts by perfectly legitimate organisations, her right to share articles that have been written in mainstream newspapers, her right to participate in a national debate where one group of people's rights are being eroded in favour of another; these are the points that need to be addressed. Some accusations may continue to stand, but there are others that absolutely should not be.