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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Why I am not applying for the Fawcett Society CEO job - Maya Forstater

122 replies

stumbledin · 16/06/2021 15:23

When they first advertised for this job in October 2020 I applied, in order to make clear to the Fawcett Society Trustees the choice they had. Would they go ALL-IN with gender ideology, would they be BRAVE and hire someone willing to stand up for women’s rights or would they try to be CAUTIOUS and hire another fence sitter?

mforstater.medium.com/courage-calls-to-courage-why-i-am-not-applying-for-the-fawcett-society-ceo-job-52f96de21e05

(For whatever reason Fawcett appointed an interim CEO last year.)

There are loads of threads about Fawcett but this was a recent one www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4234244-Fawcett-Society concering interim CEO

And Maya attends Fawcett AGM (to be read with added perspective!) www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4091698-Maya-attends-the-Fawcett-Society-AGM

About previous CEO leaving www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4072069-Sam-Smethers-CE-Leaving-Fawcett-Society

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NecessaryScene · 17/06/2021 15:51

(There's quite a bit more from Susanna on the Twitter thread - that's just a highlight)

Toseland · 17/06/2021 16:52

I’ve just read it and I’m absolutely fucking furious - how bloody dare she.

“Hands up. Guilty as charged. Squeak squeak.”
”I haven’t even said anything on the topic. Why would I? I’m not an idiot.”

Yes you are and it’s your fucking well paid, fancy job to stand up for women! Just do your fucking job.

Why is she wittering on about compromise and moderation? There is no fucking debate - this is outright war on women and we are defending ourselves with everything we have - out of the way with your stupid, vapid, insulting crap.

OhHolyJesus · 17/06/2021 17:06

Another article

savageminds.substack.com/p/accessorise-this?fbclid=IwAR0SEJvPE1Q030VaxJ2X9WeyRvGssW-aIMsYObaYCEzIFntQQVL2ZlVJXuw

Quite like this bit:

"Hazarika’s reproach of women not only employs some rather disturbing sexist tropes, but she fails to understand how her use the “master’s tools” in calling women’s political protest “cruel” neatly into the structural misogyny that women have been fighting for well over a century. Indeed, Hazarika believes that she is the first woman ever to take up the role of the “peacemaker” pretending that she is the person anointed to usher forth a debate as she invokes the need for “kindness and empathy.” She treats the women who have been fighting against gender ideology for the past decade as an adjunct to her one-woman show where she has entered the scene, yesterday apparently, and treats women’s labour and organising as trivial.
Hazarika is here to save us, women. Now get back to your kitchens as she—and only she—understands the nuance necessary to calm the storm!"

For some reason AH reminds me of Caroline Noakes, I can't put my finger on why.

OhHolyJesus · 17/06/2021 17:10

"Here is the lesson that Hazarika’s op-ed yesterday can teach us all: we must be vigilant about our rights and the organisations we stand behind. The Fawcett Society is funded by its members and it is time its members show this organisation the door."

^^I support this message.

JustcameoutGC · 17/06/2021 17:27

I need to stop coming back to this topic. It makes my blood boil. But yes, I agree the Fawcett society are as much use to women as Stonewall is to same sex attracted gays and lesbians. Time for them to give the name back

Violetparis · 17/06/2021 17:49

AH talks about it being a toxic debate but she has had no qualms about joining in other toxic debates such as Brexit or Anti Semitism, why not this one, after all she is a self identifying feminist ? I think so many media lovey's whose job it is to commentate and have an opinion (looking at you Caitlin Moran) don't get involved not because it is toxic but because if they show any understanding of the GC side they lose their 'down with the kids' credentials and if they come out with TWAW they don't have the facts to back this up. I think they are just frightened of the debate because they don't like what it says about them.

Igmum · 17/06/2021 17:52

Ridiculous article. I'm a member of the Fawcett Society and find this appalling. I am heartened by the comments though. Absolutely spot on. If AH doesn't want to acknowledge and fight for women and girls what on earth is she doing in the Fawcett Society?

UppityPuppity · 17/06/2021 18:04

I'm a member of the Fawcett Society and find this appalling.

Genuine questions - what do they actually do, where do they get their funding from and what’s the point of them if they can’t define their target audience?

EsmaCannonball · 17/06/2021 18:49

When I first heard about the Fawcett Society I assumed they were some kind of geographical society named after Percy Fawcett, the explorer who went in pursuit of something that didn't exist, disappeared in mysterious circumstances and was never heard of again. If they want a relaunch they won't even have to change the name.

OvaHere · 17/06/2021 19:10

twitter.com/SarahPedersen2/status/1405571560841400320

In 1906, the honorary secretary of the Glasgow Women's Suffrage Society (affiliated to the NUWSS - a forerunner of the Fawcett Society) wrote to the Scottish newspapers to repudiate the actions of women belonging to the WSPU (the suffragettes) 1/

They 'deeply deplored' the actions of the suffragettes and desired to ' dissociate ourselves from all such discourteous behaviour'. Women should not disrupt meetings to demand the vote. Elizabeth Pollak, WSPU secretary, Glasgow, wrote back 2/

She mocked the ‘hasty meeting’ of suffragists that had led to the letter and compared them unfavourably to the ‘noble women’ who were willing to make sacrifices for reform, ‘which they consider of immediate necessity... 3/

...for the economic and social welfare of themselves and their more helpless sisters.' While the Suffragists could afford to wait for reform, she pointed out, other women could not.

Plus ça change plus c'est la même

stumbledin · 17/06/2021 19:18

IN terms of what Fawcett does or what it says it wants to do you can read the briefing they have prepared for those wanting to apply for CEO. jobs.prospect-us.co.uk/jobs/details/50667/The%20Fawcett%20Socirty%20-%20Appointment%20Brief.pdf

And for anyone interested you have until 5pm tomorrow to apply jobs.prospect-us.co.uk/jobs/details/hq00178643

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stumbledin · 17/06/2021 19:19

Meant to add that seeing as they have spend most of the past year looking are a merger with Young Women's Trust I suspect that in fact they dont even know what they are for and / or those who are their members dont know what they are for.

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WeeBisom · 17/06/2021 20:42

I found her article really embarrassing. Compared to the brave suffragettes who underwent forced feeding, she seems really pathetic with all her talk of therapy and being scared. If you are scared to stand up for the rights of women and girls why on earth would you be on the board of a feminist charity?

I'm sorry, but I also don't buy her claims to be a victim. You don't get to discuss someone in the national press and then have conniptions when they politely reply to you on Twitter. Did she not expect any women to reply to her opinion piece? And for all she is supposedly raging at the 'cis white men' who are standing by and laughing at women tearing chunks out of each other, I've noticed that the majority of the tweets she has liked and retweeted has come from men. She really likes that male approval.

OvaHere · 17/06/2021 21:10

Jo Bartosch
www.spiked-online.com/2021/06/17/in-the-trans-debate-feminists-cannot-sit-on-the-fence

In the trans debate, feminists cannot sit on the fence
Women’s hard-won rights are at stake, staying out of the fray is not an option.

Why can’t we just stop all this nasty politics and be kind to each other? It would make Ayesha Hazarika super happy if we did. Hazarika, a seasoned hack and former special adviser to Gordon Brown, claims she has been bullied for not having an opinion. In a column for the Evening Standard, she confesses that her ‘anxiety levels’ are ‘through the roof’. ‘I even booked an emergency session with my therapist to work out a coping strategy for my mental health’, she complains.

But Hazarika is about as much a babe in the woods as Dominic Cummings is a loyal friend. The pressing question she bravely refuses to pick a side on is whether ‘woman’ is a sex category or a feeling. Hazarika seems proud to have ducked the debate, quipping, ‘I haven’t even said anything on the topic. Why would I? I’m not an idiot. Until now…’

Hazarika’s view might not matter, were it not for the fact that she sits on the board of the Fawcett Society, the UK’s leading charity campaigning for ‘gender equality and women’s rights at work, at home and in public life’. Like Stonewall, the Fawcett Society has become a relic, doing nothing much aside from scooping up funds and looking good on the LinkedIn bios of its trustees.

For the past five years, grassroots feminist campaigners have begged the Fawcett Society to say something about the unrelenting attacks on women who speak out against gender-identity ideology. Instead, the society has absented itself from the resurgent women’s movement and equivocated itself into irrelevance.

Five years ago, around the same time Hazarika was picking up an MBE, a friend of mine was in a secure mental-health unit. Pippa, as she wants to be known, was distressed to see a man on her ward, as she had been assured it was a women-only ward. The man identified as a woman, and Pippa was branded transphobic by nursing staff for even questioning his presence. After reading Hazarika’s column, Pippa told me, ‘this discussion is indeed bad for women’s mental health. Particularly the women in secure psychiatric wards who are forced to lie about the reality in front of them, and are dismissed as bigots when they object to men who identify as women in their spaces, when they are fearful and at their most vulnerable.’

Instead of engaging with the concerns raised by women like Pippa, Hazarika glibly calls for a ‘humane, modern and common-sense’ approach to the trans debate. Maybe when we stop housing transgender rapists in women’s prisons, and when the police stop arresting people for ‘transphobic’ wrongthink, we can all sing ‘Kumbaya’ and be friends.

Three years ago, I spoke at a public meeting about the Gender Recognition Act. There was a hefty security presence and a last-minute venue change. Transgender activists forced the hall that had originally been booked to drop out. Attendees were advised to walk in small groups in order to avoid attracting the attention of the hordes of furious, screaming protesters in the city centre. A few months later, organisers of a similar event had to contend with a bomb threat. Then, in 2020, smoke bombs were released to stop a women’s meeting in London. But Hazarika isn’t an idiot, so why would she have said anything about any of that?

Since I began to write about the battle between women’s rights and gender identity, I have met people whose addresses, along with photos of their children, have been shared online by transgender activists. I have talked with people who have been hauled up in front of HR departments for ‘misgendering’, and others who have lost their livelihoods for not toeing the line on gender identity. I have got to know ‘transwidows’ – women whose families are ripped apart when their middle-aged husbands go from being a transvestite to identifying as trans women full-time. I have met people who have been reported to the police not because they sought to be offensive, but just because they spoke their minds. I have met parents who were terrified that if they didn’t affirm their children’s transgender identities, social services would take them away. Not one of these people retaliated by sending rape or death threats to transgender activists. Despite Hazarika’s lazy claims, this is not a debate of ‘two sides’.

But Hazarika doesn’t dwell on those boring details. Instead, she gushed the wisdom she had gleaned from social media: ‘I’m part of a wonderful Facebook group of older women celebrating confidence in our “hot girl years”, aka the menopause. Trans women are not only welcome, they are cherished – we have all learned from their stories and world-class ability to accessorise.’

Setting aside the porny and infantilising description of menopausal women as ‘hot girls’, you might wonder why Hazarika thinks it’s okay for men who identify as women to be in a Facebook group about the menopause. Had she bothered to engage with the trans debate, she would know that many men who identify as women fetishise women’s bodily functions. (If you don’t believe me, I suggest you wait until your food is fully digested and then google ‘forced feminisation’.) There is nothing more validating for a man who wants others to see him as female than being fawned over by women as he gossips about clothes like a Stepford wife. You have to ask where this fits in with the Fawcett Society’s campaigns to challenge gender stereotypes.

I hope Hazarika reads this and that she takes some time to reflect on the stories of people like Pippa – the women whose rights she is apparently too clever to defend.

EsmaCannonball · 17/06/2021 21:30

The response to the Chimamanda piece was, 'How dare you attack someone who is non-binary, queer, disabled, black and suicidal!' Hazarika's response to criticism is, 'I've had to have therapy because of this!' It feels like we're moving from being unable to criticise the powerful to being unable to criticise the 'vulnerable.' This is even more problematic when people can identify into vulnerability without too much cost. It also feels as if we have moved from privileging the privileged to privileging identities without even having a go at establishing a meritocracy in between those two unfair states.

DialSquare · 19/06/2021 13:45

Just read this very good article from Sarah Phillimore.

thecritic.co.uk/cowardice-calls-to-cowardice/

LizzieSiddal · 19/06/2021 18:30

Ayesha is discussing this now on her show on Times Radio. Freddy McConnell didn’t mention women’s rights at all.
The Welsh MP Tonia (sorry didn’t catch her surname) was amazing!

Mrsorganmorgan · 19/06/2021 19:23

Tonia Antoniazzi MP for Gower

NCwhatsmynameagain · 19/06/2021 20:56

[quote DialSquare]Just read this very good article from Sarah Phillimore.

thecritic.co.uk/cowardice-calls-to-cowardice/[/quote]
Blistering and brilliant!!

Keepitonthedownlow · 20/06/2021 12:05

I'm concerned that the transwomen at the menopause group might be getting off on being 'validated' rather than having anything substantive to add....

Articus · 20/06/2021 14:10

Is it the golden lame purse skills the Fawcett Society stands with? If you get me.
Or is it the high heels size 10 or the bra push-up fillers? Who cares! All stupid stereotyping accessorised womanhood.

How did these pleasing women got to run a women’s centred society?

TomatoesAreFruit · 20/06/2021 18:14

Ayesha Hazarika did another piece on Times Radio again today at 5.30 ish. Laila Moran was on along with Labour and Conservative MP. It was very, very week and no real acknowledgement of the conflict with women's rights. It wasn't great.

BUT Labour MP mentioned issues with Tavestock and even Laila that she had sought out different views within her party. BUT that might just be so she can get them chucked out at a later date!!

It did feel that the discussion is slightly more nuanced than a few years ago, when it was just TWAW on repeat.

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