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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

University staff given list of banned 'microinsults' they cannot say to trans people

545 replies

ChristinaXYZ · 01/05/2021 12:34

From the Telegraph. the last para make you want to weep -

A Newcastle University spokesman said: "We want our campus to be a welcoming and safe place for everyone who studies, works or visits here, regardless of gender, race, class, age or disability."

But it would seem they are not bothered about making people feel welcome regardless of sex, as they don't even mention it.

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Butwasitherdriveway · 02/05/2021 13:57

@GreyhoundG1rl

Who was talking to you Butwasitherdriveway? What is the matter with you?
You were.
EmpressWitchDoesntBurn · 02/05/2021 13:57

@YetAnotherSpartacus

"Chinned" is indeed an odd expression. As far as I know, it means an actual assault.
Chinny reckon means ‘yeah right...’ so I’d guess it comes from that.
Butwasitherdriveway · 02/05/2021 13:58

@YetAnotherSpartacus

It always terrifies me when women who draw attention to violence against women are called liars.

Again.

"The Crime Survey for England and Wales (CSEW) year ending March 2020 estimated 2.9% of women (618,000) and 0.7% of men (155,000) aged 16 to 74 years experienced sexual assault (including attempts) in the last year."

Mmm.
Butwasitherdriveway · 02/05/2021 13:59

@EmpressWitchDoesntBurn not necessarily but preferable to the PP who decided I was a man threatening to assault women for having an opinion Blush

YetAnotherSpartacus · 02/05/2021 14:02

Are you actually saying those stats are untrue?

Really?

Butwasitherdriveway · 02/05/2021 14:04

@YetAnotherSpartacus

Are you actually saying those stats are untrue?

Really?

No.

I'm saying that's not the same as the blanket statement made earlier upthread that women are being raped at an alarming level at universities.

I mean, apart from the obvious fact that this is happening in less numbers than ever in current circumstances.

YetAnotherSpartacus · 02/05/2021 14:06

The definition of 'chinned' as I understand it.

University staff given list of banned 'microinsults' they cannot say to trans people
YetAnotherSpartacus · 02/05/2021 14:08

But women are being sexually assaulted in alarming numbers, including at universities.

Surely there is no rape/sexual assault denial going on here?

Butwasitherdriveway · 02/05/2021 14:09

@YetAnotherSpartacus

The definition of 'chinned' as I understand it.
Are you planning on continuing to suggest I threatened violence even though I've explained what chinned means in Scotland until I get deleted ? Or can we all move on with our day?
Butwasitherdriveway · 02/05/2021 14:10

@YetAnotherSpartacus

But women are being sexually assaulted in alarming numbers, including at universities.

Surely there is no rape/sexual assault denial going on here?

No

But harassment, misogny and rape isn't the same as an alarming number of rapes specifically at universities.

Apar from anything else, neither night life or unis are open which I'm sure you wouldn't disagree take the numbers up.

Can we stop derailing now?

Erikrie · 02/05/2021 14:12

Women are being raped and sexually assaulted in universities at alarming numbers. It also happens in schools. Facts are facts.

Butwasitherdriveway · 02/05/2021 14:13

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Butwasitherdriveway · 02/05/2021 14:13

@Erikrie

Women are being raped and sexually assaulted in universities at alarming numbers. It also happens in schools. Facts are facts.
Also not sure you said sexual assault the first time but just rape. Happy to be corrected.
YetAnotherSpartacus · 02/05/2021 14:18

""The Crime Survey for England and Wales (CSEW) year ending March 2020 estimated 2.9% of women (618,000) and 0.7% of men (155,000) aged 16 to 74 years experienced sexual assault (including attempts) in the last year."

These are the government stats. Sexual assault is sexual assault. Soinds like you are splitting hairs.

NiceGerbil · 02/05/2021 14:19

Not read any of the thread since last night and just saw 'chinned means' -round here means punching someone.

Now going to see what the context is!

Sophoclesthefox · 02/05/2021 14:20

I’m Scottish and I’ve only ever heard chinned used to mean hit.

And I find the rape stats posted upthread alarming, and can’t understand why that would be a topic of contention. They’re alarming because they’re so high. If they were lower, I wouldn’t be alarmed.

are you spoiling for a fight, driveway?

Anyway, back to the topic. What do you think of the guidance on micro aggressions?

YetAnotherSpartacus · 02/05/2021 14:23

Not that we have any stats on these 'microaggressions' ...

ScrollingLeaves · 02/05/2021 14:36

From blogs.ed.ac.uk/learningexchange/wp-content/uploads/sites/1606/2020/09/IADtransandnonbinarymicroaggressions.pdf
Posted by @ CatherinaJTV

Yes, thank you for finding this @CatherinaJTV
I have been reading it but haven’t finished it. In my opinion the start at least is written with more sensitivity and nuance than the equivalent information at Newcastle.

But looking at this phrase, for example -

“Some people express concerns that recognising the rights of trans women will negatively impact the ‘sex-based’ rights of cis women and that predatory men will exploit the proposed right to self-declaration to access women-only spaces or to gain advantage in sports and the workplace. This effectively makes trans women the focus of blame for the actions of predatory men.”

Is it not confused to state that, “This effectively makes trans women the focus of blame for the actions of predatory men.”

Should this not be, “This makes the few trans women who happen to be predatory a reason for focussing blame on all trans women”...it could then go on to explain that there are few trans women who are actually predatory (if that is the fact).

Of course it also misses the point that trans women may already have gained advantages by their previous lives as men ( socially and physically) and that women feel trans women should not compete in sports with women because of the physical danger to women this would cause, and the unfair competitive advantages this would set up, due to trans women’s originally male bodies.

It also misses the point that non predatory trans men also pose a perceived threat to some previously abused women and girls ( of whom there are a great many) who want the right to private spaces, or women whose religious practice demands privacy.

There is also no mention that women, quite understandably, do not think it is right that crimes committed by trans women should be classified, or reported, as having been committed by women.

NiceGerbil · 02/05/2021 14:48

Ah I'm English. I work with a man from near Edinburgh so can ask him what he thinks it means on Monday.

Could well be different. No idea.

NiceGerbil · 02/05/2021 14:49

Tuesday even!

NiceGerbil · 02/05/2021 14:53

The context it was used in upthread doesn't sound like it meant hitting tbf

WarriorN · 02/05/2021 14:55

Edwin, mine was quadrangle. But creative so god knows.

Butwasitherdriveway · 02/05/2021 14:58

@Sophoclesthefox

I’m Scottish and I’ve only ever heard chinned used to mean hit.

And I find the rape stats posted upthread alarming, and can’t understand why that would be a topic of contention. They’re alarming because they’re so high. If they were lower, I wouldn’t be alarmed.

are you spoiling for a fight, driveway?

Anyway, back to the topic. What do you think of the guidance on micro aggressions?

No,.course not.

But I don't think that the rape stats ,.rape stats alone, across universities are alarming. I'm sorry. I don't.

I am not a fan of the legislation other than the one I queried earlier which I've forgotten, something to do with sex.

allmywhat · 02/05/2021 14:59

"The Crime Survey for England and Wales (CSEW) year ending March 2020 estimated 2.9% of women (618,000) and 0.7% of men (155,000) aged 16 to 74 years experienced sexual assault (including attempts) in the last year.

'In the last year' combined with the age range should have been a very large clue for you.

Butwasitherdriveway · 02/05/2021 14:59

@NiceGerbil

The context it was used in upthread doesn't sound like it meant hitting tbf
Not unless I was suggesting another poster physically assaulted Greyhound.

My exact comment was that greyhound was chinned on another thread for contentious behaviour.

I hereby retract it and replace with pulled up. I am very, very mixed nationality so do sometimes use words I pick up in the wrong context.