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Teddy girls in the 1950s

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Mossleybrow · 22/03/2021 11:30

Rose Hendon remembered: "Me and my friends used to go to the Back Ace Club in the Harrow Road. They had a juke box, and we’d all meet up there for coffee. Or we’d go down the Seven Feathers Club and there’d be music and you’d do your dancing. That was where I used to go with my boyfriend Jimmy. He was one of the Teddy Boys. They were smart. And it was because of that us girls started getting that look…We started wearing turned-up drainpipe jeans. Plastic belts round them. And blouses with a wing collar. Then we added in cameo brooches, and scarf, tailored jackets with wide lapels and velvet collars, white ankle socks and flat black shoes…The thing I spent most money on was an Astrakhan coat. It was £25 . It came from Debenhams in the Harrow Road, and buying it felt just really good. I felt …glamorous." Virginia Nicholson, Perfect Wives in Ideal Homes, (2015), pp.356-357.

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AspergersWife · 23/03/2021 15:47

Thank you so much! I'm going to have a read up, it's so interesting.

Thank you for posting OP.

Mossleybrow · 23/03/2021 15:49

What about class in fashion? Michelene Wandor attended the first Women's Liberation conference in Oxford in 1970 carefully dressed, as she recalled, in a mini-sweater dress, long, black leather boots, and an ankle–length black and white herring-bone coat.

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ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 23/03/2021 16:00

Do you mean as in upper, middle and lower class, or classy as in style.

Fashion was the pursuit of the wealthy until the 1920’s. The simple fashion of the 1920’s was easy to knock up on a sewing machine at home. And that’s what people did until the 1980’s ushered in cheap fashion.

However, what defines class to me is the use of fabric. The better the fabric generally the higher the class, ( but not always)

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 23/03/2021 16:05

Dialasquare lol! I was a mod in the late 70’s in my winkle pickers. Two tone innit?

My boyfriend had sta press trousers.

Street style is so interesting. It all interacts and is influential on so many things. As soon as it becomes fashion it just dies.

Beats
Hippies
Glam
Rock
Punk
New Romantics
Goth
Rave
Grunge
Emo
Rriot Girrls
Indie
Manga

It’s all so fascinating.

DialSquare · 23/03/2021 16:16

It is interesting ArseInTheCoOpWindow. I was still young in the late 70s and was basically following my elder brother with the mod then skinhead fashions. He had an original parka from Carnaby Street. He also loved his two tone trousers (or tonics as they were also known).
I had two tone badges (used to pin them in my braces). Still love Ska music now.

I think Class does play a part in it as mentioned by Mossleybrow. I come from a London working class family and we've all always loved clothes. My Dad was an original Mod in the early 60s and my uncle was an original skinhead in the late 60s. He was in a Rolling Stone magazine article about skinheads in 1969.

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 23/03/2021 16:19

Wow!!! Yeah class probably plays a part. Teds, skins and Mods tended to be working class.

Interestingly Britpop styling was similar to Mods. Oasis, Jarvis were working class. Not sure about Blur, but it was that same interest in ‘threads’

DialSquare · 23/03/2021 16:20

This is the article. One of these is my uncle.
He was pretty young and as a socialist, hated what the skinhead movement later became associated with.

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DialSquare · 23/03/2021 16:23

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DialSquare · 23/03/2021 16:27

Many the Britpop bands were influenced by the mod movement. A lot of them would have been part of the 70s Mod revival. And many have them have said they were influenced by bands like Small Faces, The Who and The Kinks. I also love all these bands. Particularly the Small Faces. I'm a massive Steve Marriott fan.

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 23/03/2021 16:33

Oh those DM’s😍.

How cool is your uncle?

DialSquare · 23/03/2021 16:37

They look great don't they! He is very cool. One of the most interesting people I know to sit and talk to.

Deliriumoftheendless · 23/03/2021 20:17

This thread is brilliant.

EmbarrassingAdmissions · 23/03/2021 20:31

I went to an exhibition at the Barbican a while ago that had photographs of Teddy Boys, Mods and Rockers etc. (completely fascinating) - Another Kind of Life

kennywilson.org/2016/10/11/the-teddy-boys-britains-first-youth-subculture/

Too few women in the photographs but those who were there were eye-opening.

DialSquare · 23/03/2021 21:09

That's a really interesting link Embarrassing. Thanks for posting. I've only read the Teddy Boy bit so far so will have a look at the other stories on there.

EmbarrassingAdmissions · 24/03/2021 16:13

The Barbican used to be a relatively short detour from my commute. I attended that exhibition >20 times - it was one of the most challenging and interesting exhibitions that I've ever seen.

moofolk · 25/03/2021 07:25

Top thread I'm now in love with Teddy girls.

And @ArseInTheCoOpWindow you are my new hero. In want to do your course it sounds fascinating!

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 25/03/2021 08:32

It’s just History of Fashion.

People think it’s just about clothes. But it isn’t. It’s about history, anthropology and decoding. Sometimes people sneer because it’s about clothes.

But the clothes are just a side issue, it’s the messages they deliver that count. Yeah, they all love learning it!

WelcomeMarch · 25/03/2021 08:42

1920s...Men wore make up for first time

I know very little about historical fashions, but what about the ‘powder and patch’ era? Was that only in France?

Mossleybrow · 25/03/2021 08:49

I am working on the journalism of Madeline Linford, the first woman on the staff of the Manchester Guardian.

( madelinelinford.wordpress.com ) This is her article on "The Holiday Clothes of Lancashire: Whit-Week Fashions " published on 10th June 1922)

Blackpool, Friday

The other day, in a Manchester tram, the writer of this article heard one woman say to another : “There isn’t anywhere in the world as picturesque as Blackpool. Eh, it’s a lovely place!” As she spoke there arose a mental vision of the Alps bowing their proud white heads, of Avignon and Terminus and Clovelly crumbling into dust because another had arisen greater than they.

In plain fact Blackpool is an ugly place. It is obviously lovable, but apart from its sea and the golden wine of its air has no claims at all to beauty. It is a town of flatness and right angles, of hard reds and drab greys, without a trace of graciousness or mystery to soften and smudge it. There is no seaside resort in England that sets less store on aesthetic appeal.

This week Blackpool looks its best. By June the coats of new paint acquired during the winter have not had time to fade, and there is still a hint of reserve in the mist and sunshine. Nobody is as yet blatantly sunburnt, and the pretty new fashions have not yet lost their first effectiveness. In another month or so the wrong people will have seized them and distorted them into caricatures. Just now they are still fresh, and a little surprising.

All along the front and the North Pier new clothes are being displayed. Whit-week to Lancashire folk means what Easter Sunday does to people of other countries; it is the time for a general restocking of the wardrobe. To buy new garments and air them at Blackpool is to obey the tradition that also insists on parkin at Hallow-e’en and stodgy cakes in the middle of Lent. Consequently the town this week has something of the look of an ugly garden riotously invaded by spring.

The most noticeable thing the Whitsuntide fashions is that they are very much prettier than those of last summer. Then the correct wear was a skimpy cretonne frock of very vivid colours and a hideously hard Lenglen bandean to match. This year cretonne is not worn , and much that was unbecoming and in bad taste has gone with it. It is rather surprising to find that the possibilities of cotton foulard have not been discovered yet. The only people wearing it here are a few children, whom it does not suit at all. It is a musly material, very cheap, and looking so.

Emphatically, the material of the early summer is ratine. Blackpool is full of it. And because it is apparently only made in simple designs and good colours the effect is distinctly pleasant. Probably the majority of the frocks have cost barely twenty shillings each, and are of the slip-on style , which needs a minimum of stuff. But while they are new, as they are this week, they are both pretty and comfortable. By the August wakes their faults of shrinking and fading will have come to the fore and their popularity have waned a little. Just now they are very much in favour, and certainly in the prevailing cool and tones of striped beiges and pinks and greys they have every good quality.

Next to popularity, a long way behind, some materials of the zephyrs type. These are cooler than ratine and more durable, but because they are not new Blackpool does not care much for them. They, too, are cheap and only made in good colours. The few one noticed looked extremely nice. Only one girl was seen wearing a new Shetland wool frock, and she was not quite slim enough to look really well in it. Nearly all the hats are of the Panama persuasion if not the actual thing, and the correct wrap seems to be a white blanket coat. The season’s shoes are fantastic and generally ugly.

Two of the eccentricities of Lancashire women are obvious this week. One is their reluctance to leave any good thing in seclusion. It is extraordinary how hard some people find it to put away their furs in moth powder and leave them until the autumn. Here in Blackpool it is very common to see a girl in a short-sleeved cotton frock, white shoes and stockings and a shady hat , and with the heavy skin of a fox slung across her shoulders. On a day when even to carry a handkerchief seemed an intolerable burden scores of women paced the North Pier through the blazing hours of noon with the symbols of December weighing down their June.

Another characteristic of Lancashire clothes is the “After Blackpool comes Wigan” look about them. Londoners chose their holiday garments for Brighton or Southend without thought of the morrow. In the North people remember that while Blackpool lasts a week Manchester and Oldham go on more or less for ever. We are so used to consideration of “showing the dirt” that we fear to buy fragility. Thus Blackpool sees very few white frocks, even on children, though white, because it cannot fade, is certainly the best choice for seaside wear. But white would be little use when Whit-week is over, so it is discouraged.

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ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 25/03/2021 08:53

Mossleybrow lovely post. Really interesting.

Yes forgot about powder and patch. They used to use false eyebrows too made of mouse skin🤮

EmbarrassingAdmissions · 25/03/2021 12:57

Thank you for telling us about Madeline Linford - that was such a delightful post to read.

WelcomeMarch · 25/03/2021 12:59

Loved that!
(Arse, mouse skin eyebrows? Good gracious.)

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 25/03/2021 13:04

I know lovely isn’t it!

In the Jane Austen period , women used to cut their hair short and messy and wear a red ribbon round their neck to symbolise the guillotine . The look was called ‘La Revolution’

DialSquare · 25/03/2021 13:14

That's a lovely post Mossley. It almost takes you there just reading it. And I've never been to Blackpool!

Mossleybrow · 25/03/2021 13:46

Going into manchester today and thnking now almost everyone dresses in dark colours..what has happened.? With the invention of artificial dyes for clothing there was an explosion of colour...

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