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The background to JK Rowling's tweets

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StellaOMalley · 14/06/2020 12:39

Not enough people know or understand what happened to JK Rowling so I tried to reach the middle ground with this article in the Sunday Independent. I'd really appreciate if this could be shared: www.independent.ie/opinion/comment/cant-we-discuss-this-without-an-online-mobbing-39284274.html
Can't we discuss this without an online mobbing?
Stella O'Malley

Gender politics is a complex subject which needs to be discussed with thoughtfulness and honesty, writes Stella O'Malley.

The extraordinary events surrounding JK Rowling in the last few days are difficult to follow but they have highlighted an issue largely ignored by the general public: the controversy surrounding gender politics.

Now Rowling, well known for her left-leaning politics and philanthropy, has been vilified as "a transphobic bigot", perhaps more people might be motivated to grapple with the politics of gender identity?

In many ways, it all began with Pippa Bunce, who expresses a female gender identity for half the week and then expresses a male gender identity for the other half of the week. "Put simply, I like to dress up as both gender forms and I embrace both parts of myself equally."

In 2018 Pippa Bunce was listed as one of Britain's top 100 women in business and Maya Forstater, a tax expert who worked at a think tank, discussed this issue on Twitter. "I have no problem with men wearing dresses, but we don't need to confuse acting in a stereotypically feminine manner with being a woman!"

Forstater's tweets were reported by some of her colleagues for "non-inclusive language" and subsequently her contract was not renewed. She took a case to an employment tribunal saying that "no one has the right to compel others to make statements that they do not believe". The judge disagreed and Forstater lost the case.

In response to this, Rowling decided to enter the debate and tweeted on December 19, 2019: "Dress however you please. Call yourself whatever you like. Sleep with any consenting adult who'll have you. Live your best life in peace and security. But force women out of their jobs for stating that sex is real? #IStandWithMaya #ThisIsNotADrill."

Rowling declaring openly that she was not a believer in gender identity theory unleashed the wrath of a vitriolic mob. Gender identity theory maintains that a person is the gender they declare they are and it is not for anyone else to have a view on this. In a tolerant society, this seems a reasonable concept and many people agree with it. The problem is that some people - including some trans people - argue that children (anyone under the age of 18) are too young to decide their gender and they should not be able to make decisions that can involve irreversible medical procedures.

Some also claim that gender identity theory allows dangerous men to freely self-declare their identity in places such as prisons and refuges.

Perhaps the biggest problem with gender identity theory is that it does not seem to tolerate people who don't accept it.

In response to her tweet, Rowling was declared a Terf- a trans-exclusionary radical feminist. She was also called a "hateful, spiteful, ignorant hag" and "a transphobic whore who needed to be punched", among the thousands of angry tweets in which violence, rape and misogyny were notable themes. There were many public burnings of her books.

Then, last month, Rowling published a free book, The Ickabog, for children, during the pandemic. She invited children to send in their drawings and spent some weeks commenting on Twitter about them.

In the midst of this, she accidentally copied and pasted a quotation into a tweet about a nine-year-old child's drawing. Many of us know the horror of sending a message to the public rather than to a private person. For Rowling, with 14.5m followers, the horror must have been intense.

"I love this truly fabulous Ickabog, with its bat ears, mismatched eyes, and terrifying bloodstained teeth! In court, Wolf claimed the Facebook post in which he'd said he wanted to 'f**k up some Terfs' was just 'bravado'. #TheIckabog."

The court case to which Rowling inadvertently referred dated back to April 2018, when 26-year-old trans woman Tara Wolf was convicted of assaulting Maria MacLachlan, a feminist in her 60s, at Speakers' Corner in London.

It emerged during the case that when Wolf heard about a proposed meeting to discuss gender identity, she had posted: "Any idea where this is happening? I want to f* some Terfs up, they are no better than fash [fascists]."

Rowling deleted the tweet and apologised: "I'm going to say this once and I'm going to say it calmly and politely. I certainly didn't mean to paste a quotation from a message about the assault of Maria MacLaughlin [sic] into a tweet to a child... However, I am not … ashamed of reading about the assault. You should know by now that accusations of thought crime leave me cold. Take your censorship and authoritarianism elsewhere. They don't work on me."

Twitter almost combusted and she was vilified and accused of "literally killing trans people".

A week later Rowling decided to confront the issue head-on with a series of tweets. In the first, she responded to an article that used the phrase "people who menstruate": "I'm sure there used to be a word for those people. Someone help me out. Wumben? Wimpund? Woomud?"

She then went on to tweet: "If sex isn't real, there's no same-sex attraction. If sex isn't real, the lived reality of women globally is erased. I know and love trans people, but erasing the concept of sex removes the ability of many to meaningfully discuss their lives. It isn't hate to speak the truth.

"I respect trans persons' right to live any way that feels authentic and comfortable to them... At the same time, my life has been shaped by being female. I do not believe it's hateful to say so."

The insults and outrage seemed to reach a pinnacle and the general public, who have been mostly unengaged about this complex issue until now, began to scratch their heads and wonder whether it was true that the author of the Harry Potter books was a transphobic bigot.

Daniel Radcliffe, the actor who played Harry Potter, responded with an open letter disavowing Rowling's views: "Transgender women are women. Any statement to the contrary erases the identity and dignity of transgender people."

Rowling, who had previously been known as a defender of minorities, a billionaire who pays her taxes and had founded Lumos, a charity for children, responded with a 3,670-word essay that explained her reasoning.

She pointed out that she has been reading about gender issues for some years and described her concern for the 4,400pc increase among girls attending gender clinics. She wondered whether, had she been born 30 years later, she would have tried to transition.

"The allure of escaping womanhood would have been huge. I struggled with severe OCD as a teenager. If I'd found community and sympathy online that I couldn't find in my immediate environment, I believe I could have been persuaded to turn myself into the son my father had openly said he'd have preferred."

Rowling also pointed to the over-representation of autistic girls among the teenagers who are seeking to transition, and the increasing numbers of people now de-transitioning.

In the essay, Rowling revealed that she is a survivor of domestic abuse and sexual assault (Two days later, The Sun decided to capitalise on this revelation by tracking down her ex-husband and leading with the headline "I slapped JK and I'm not sorry").

Rowling explained in her essay that she had never spoken about it previously out of respect for her daughter. She concluded: "So I want trans women to be safe. At the same time, I do not want to make natal girls and women less safe."

Emma Watson, who played Hermione in the Harry Potter films, didn't seem to have been moved by Rowling's essay and subsequently tweeted her support for the trans community: "I want my trans followers to know that I… see you, respect you and love you for who you are."

Rowling must feel exhausted and beaten by this topic, having excavated very private details from her life in an attempt to appeal to a sense of humanity from her detractors. Equally, thousands of people report feeling devastated by her words.

History has taught us that if there is any hope for resolution we will need, as a society, to engage with difficult issues with thoughtfulness and honesty.

Rowling has been brave to speak her mind and this has highlighted the problem with cancel culture and online mobbings.

Is there any hope that we can soon begin to discuss complex issues without descending into a brawl?

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CatandtheFiddle · 14/06/2020 14:30

when I just want to collapse into furious tears

I'm exhausted by this - been close to tears all weekend.

Deadringer · 14/06/2020 14:38

Thank you so much that putting that together. I have a terrible memory for names, so for example when i see Maya Forstater's name mentioned in relation to jkr, i struggle to recall how they are connected. Seeing it all laid out like that is fantastic, thank you so much.

againstvaw · 14/06/2020 15:34

Thanks, Stella. Great to get the issues into the mainstream media. And when the wholesale transing of children, they are horrified. Maybe the HSE will stop flying in "experts" from the Tavistock to trans children in Ireland now that the NHS is admitting that the effects of the drugs are not yet known. Although the damage to young girls' bones has been known for some years.

purplepizzabunny · 14/06/2020 16:20

Thanks Stella. Great article, and I know you have suffered already by not jumping on the TWAW bandwagon. Comerford, in particular has a sinister obsession with your hair. I'm Irish. Replied to a post on FB recently and got into an argument with two friends who are both staunch feminists, who are of the opinion "Rowling has refused to be educated". The other accused Rowling of "talking out of her arse and trans groups have BEGGED her to talk". Plus the usual "trans people have a life expectancy of 30 so don't you DARE be mean to them"? (dunno if they all live in Brookside close or what). When I responded with facts, and mentioned the Vancouver centre, I was told that was nothing to do with trans people. So I got the "You have upset me, TWAW bye bye" guff. I have also read articles recently slating Donal O'Shea, Ireland's leading endocrinologist. Nasty stuff. It does sadden me that it is us "bes, terfs, cs, hags, past our prime (thanks Aido)," that are actually willing to put our heads above the parapet and goddamn talk about how we can support kids with gender dysmorphia. I was a very shy child, booksmart but quite immature in many ways, and as luck would have it I am cursed with a massive pair of mammaries. Needless to say, I sprouted earlier than most of my peers. I spent years staring at them in disbelief and horror, wearing loose woolly jumpers in summer, refusing to get into a swimsuit.. I don't think I ever would have transitioned but I would have sold my soul to get my hands on a chest binder, and I would have paid any heed to the health messages. JK is an unbelievably brave person.

Destroyedpeople · 14/06/2020 16:23

What does Stella's hair have to do with anything?Confused

purplepizzabunny · 14/06/2020 16:30

Stella mentioned her haircut once, and Aido is completely obsessed with it. It's only 2nd to his Magdalene Berns obsession. I think that lad would be much better off closing his laptop and spending some time with his kids than posting bile online.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/thank-god-they-didnt-make-this-tomboy-trans-thzt8xr3z

Destroyedpeople · 14/06/2020 16:43

I cannot read that it's behind a pay wall but will Google him...

ListeningQuietly · 14/06/2020 17:00

I hope that the dropping of Self ID in England
will be replaced by proper CAHMS
to support those who are and are not trans

OK, I'm deluded

Divebar · 14/06/2020 17:03

Thank you for posting that. I seem to have done a complete 180 on this subject over the last couple of years which is due to the content on MN ( despite thinking the feminist boards were awful once ). However as a generally liberal person I do find myself quite uncomfortable to be agreeing with the comments on the Daily Mail article. How has this happened?

littlbrowndog · 14/06/2020 17:21

Stella. ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️☄️

Flootered · 14/06/2020 17:39

Brilliant Stella!

ForeverFaithless · 14/06/2020 18:03

Thanks Stella, I will try to share as much as possible.

Lunalute · 14/06/2020 18:15

Thanks for writing this- my twitter feed has been so full of viscous tweets about JK Rowling’s comments that I wouldn’t dare express my views there. It seems like we’ve forgotten how to discuss things as a society.

MotherForkinShirtBalls · 14/06/2020 18:19

Thanks so much Stella and I'm delighted to see it's in the Sindo where it will reach a very broad audience.

Destroyedpeople Louise O'Neill's column was in the Irish Examiner.

HandsOffMyRights · 14/06/2020 18:31

Thanks Stella. Excellent piece. Easy to share and easy to see the key issues we face as females at the hands of males.

Lots of respect for both you and JK Rowling.

BuzzShitbagBobbly · 14/06/2020 18:39

On one hand we have articles like Stella's, on the other is this ridiculous breathless hyperbole:

Make no mistake, the* government is mandating state-sponsored violence against trans people*

HmmHmmHmm

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/transgender-gender-recognition-act-transphobia-liz-truss-boris-johnson-a9565416.html

HandsOffMyRights · 14/06/2020 18:53

Buzz that's one loaded article alright Confused.

I've nicked this, but 'Only an ideology steeped in misogyny could reframe the protection of rights for females as taking away rights from males.'

StarStarTeachMe · 14/06/2020 21:11

Super article. Have shared l.

StellaOMalley · 15/06/2020 16:17

Brilliant. Thanks very much for all the support.. puuuulllllll xxx

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ChaToilLeam · 15/06/2020 16:21

That’s great Stella!! Thank you.

Honestly, the world has gone mad and sadly some of my IRL friends with it. There’s no debate, just mantras and indignation.

CumannNamBan · 16/06/2020 05:09

Baddiel has spoken up (a few days ago)

The background to JK Rowling's tweets
CumannNamBan · 16/06/2020 05:13

Oops wrong thread

IDontWantToBeCalledMenstruator · 18/06/2020 18:00

Is there anything we can do? I read that they want to adopt the Scottish based model incorporating LGBT+ in the curriculum. forwomen.scot/03/12/2019/lgbt-youth-scotland-foi/

SisterWendyBuckett · 18/06/2020 18:05

Thank you Stella. For this article and for everything else you're doing 💐

Jamclag · 18/06/2020 20:17

Thanks for this Stella. Good to read such a clear timeline of events - very useful to share with those who are interested but confused about the context to JK's position.

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