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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Welsh Assembly and the lost equality impact assessment

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thatdamnedwoman · 31/07/2019 09:23

The Welsh Assembly produced a 'Welsh Government Action Plan to advance equality for transgender people' in 2016

gov.wales/atisn13028

and said that an impact assessment had been carried out.

A Freedom of Information request was issued on March 2019 asking to see the impact assessment. The Impact assessment appears to have been lost. No trace of it anywhere — even though the Action Plan to Advance Equality for Transgender people mentions the importance of Impact Assessments. Here's the correspondence:

tinyurl.com/y6kxt29n

(I've had to do tinyurl as the original link was so long) It links to whatdotheyknow.com

If anyone here is sitting around at home today with nothing special to do you could check your local council (and possibly also town council and even parish council) on line and find out what resources/ action plans/ policies they have relating to transgender issues. If you find any, you could then use the letters in the whatdotheyknow link above as a template for making an FOI request asking about impact assessments.

My guess is the Welsh Assembly won't be the only body pushing change through without considering the impact on half the population. Let's help reveal this as the scandal we know it to be.

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teawamutu · 24/10/2019 14:31

This is brilliant investigative work, my zeist admiration to you all.

Regarding the lost plan and the Webberley link - surely the Times or similar would find it of interest?

MoleSmokes · 24/10/2019 23:21

FOIrequester congratulations on getting that Action Plan removed from the Welsh Gov't website!

Cuntysnark I had the same thought about asking for receipts for payment for work done on the Action Plan for the Welsh Gov't and went looking for clues to who might have done it.

I still think it is worth asking if any outside bodies were funded or commissioned to produce it and, if so, how much they were paid. However, from what I could work out from snippets of information here and there, it looks as if it might have been produced solely by the "Fairer Futures Division" of the Welsh Government, though with some organisations being granted funds to produce "guidance", "training", etc. as part of implementing the plan.

The two voluntary organisations that stand out are the ones already mentioned by FOIrequester, ie. Welsh Women's Aid and Youth Cymru, the latter for producing the "Transform Toolkit".

I don't know who is responsible for the Youth Cymru website but they need a kick up the arse for this monstrosity of an inaccessible, dog's breakfast of a website. Massive chunks of code all over the place, navigation links that do not work and the "Transform Toolkit" can, apparently, only be accessed by scrolling the inaccessible PDF embedded on this page:
youthcymru.org.uk/transform-toolkit/

As the Welsh Government has told FOIrequester that the "Trans Action Plan" is "out of date" it is worth looking out for any relevant motions going to the Assembly about its replacement/updating.

The Trans Action Plan exists as a result of a Lib Dem motion on 19/11/2014 that included a proposal for Transgender Action Plan.

Assembly Proceedings 19/11/2014
"Welsh Liberal Democrats Debate: The Transgender Community"
www.assembly.wales/en/bus-home/pages/rop.aspx?MeetingID=2764&language=en#C184097

Motion NDM5623 Aled Roberts

To propose that the National Assembly for Wales:

  1. Recognises that transgender people in Wales are among the most vulnerable to social isolation and prejudice.
  1. Notes that there is inadequate service provision in Wales for the transgender community in a number of areas, including employment and training, healthcare and housing.
  1. Calls on the Welsh Government to:

a) identify a Minister to take responsibility for the issues faced by the trans community;

b) formulate an action plan for identifying institutionalised prejudice, improving access to public services and tackling social stigmatisation, harassment and bullying for this group; and

c) report back to the Assembly within 6 months of the Minister being appointed.

Voting:
www.assembly.wales/en/bus-home/pages/votes.aspx?MeetingId=2764#2764_0013_000_180127

I presume that most of the votes against were because the proposal was to adopt the motion unamended and there were three amendments about "hate crime" that would have otherwise gone to the vote?

Amendment 1—Paul Davies
Insert new sub point at end of point 3:
‘raise public awareness of transgender hate crime, to encourage reporting of incidents by victims.’

Amendment 2—Paul Davies
Insert new sub point at end of point 3:
‘ensure that transgender victims of hate crime have access to comprehensive and easily accessible support services.’

Amendment 3—Elin Jones
Add as new point at end of motion:
Work with LGBT groups and Police and Crime Commissioners to ensure that the police force takes transgender hate crimes seriously and that victims feel able to report crimes and are supported throughout the criminal justice process.

The proposers and movers of the amendments all voted against the main motion, as did Leanne Wood, who was pushing the "hate crime" line again earlier this week, as a justification for removing the right of parents to exclude their children from Relationships and Sex Education lessons.

LGBT hate crime is rising in Wales – we need to tackle it now
Nation.Cymru 23rd October 2019

Sian Gwenllian and Leanne Wood, Plaid Cymru AMs

(Extract)

"The Welsh Government have a framework for tackling hate crime but we haven’t been updated on its progress for almost two years.

Meanwhile, preventative measures are needed to solidify the safety of our communities and to see hate crime figures drop permanently.

That starts in schools.

For example, lessons in relationship and sex educations would mean children gain a clear understanding of the diversity of healthy, social beings and relationships. They would learn about different types of families, friendships, professional relationships and sexual relationships as well as identity acceptance, tolerance, and inclusivity.

It’s crucial that this education is delivered to every child in Wales and that parents’ right to withdraw does not extend to this section of a child’s education. Schools must have the confidence to be able to deliver RSE lessons effectively.

But the real, long-term change can come from a better justice system.

The current ‘England and Wales’ criminal justice system is failing our communities and does not work for Wales. We need change – and full power and responsibility over criminal justice to create a fairer system to the benefit of all our communities and to enable us to build our own system in Wales that fits the needs of our citizens.

Wales could create a fairer, transformative system that would be a beacon for justice around the world and ensure an integrated approach to tackling LGBT hate crime and protect LGBT people in Wales.

For example, we could review hate crime laws so that hate crimes based on sexual orientation, gender identity or disability are treated equally to those based on race and faith, by making them aggravated offences. We could also train all prosecutors on anti-LGBT hate crimes on and offline, track successful prosecutions to develop best practice, and provide targeted support to victims.

We could also focus on tackling abuse online and develop training packages for frontline practitioners to improve their knowledge of online hate crime and their confidence in dealing with this form of crime.

We are far from the days of Section 28 and the anti-equal marriage lobby. But we still have so much more to do before LGBT people can feel safe and accepted without exception in Wales today."

(My bolding)

Continued at:

nation.cymru/opinion/lgbt-hate-crime-is-rising-in-wales-we-need-to-tackle-it-now/

Main points I picked up:

  1. wanting to remove the rights of parents to exclude their children from Relationships and Sex Education lessons
(In a previous consultation, 89% of respondents backed the right of parents to take children out of the classes: www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-49879797 )

Current 8 week consultation opened on 3 Oct:
gov.wales/welsh-government-working-teachers-parents-and-students-ensure-learners-have-access-broad-and

  1. wanting a separate Criminal Justice System for Wales, so that they can ramp up the "hate crime" prosecutions, including "online hate crime", for a wider range of protected characteristics - such as the non-existent protected characteristic of "gender identity" but no mention of the actual protected characteristics of "sex" and "gender reassignment".

The comments are good (so far) - maybe a good opportunity to also give them a public prod in the ribs about that missing EIA and how competently the Welsh Government has been dealing with trans policies, seeing as how they are so keen on LGBT issues and want the Welsh Gov't to run its own Criminal Justice System?

Perhaps Welsh criminals will be allowed to delete sentences after a year like the Welsh Government deletes emails??

OccasionalKite · 25/10/2019 01:23

Thank you for persevering; and serious respect to all of you who are not letting this go.

The Welsh Government website(s) are currently an utter shambles in many areas, if you're trying to google.

FOIrequester · 29/10/2019 11:58

Request for internal review sent today.
www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/information_about_the_equality_i#outgoing-956633

FOIrequester · 29/10/2019 12:12

MoleSmokes the Transform Cymru toolkit is in downloadable form here.
youthcymru.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/39880-YC-TransForm-Toolkit-English-Final.pdf

They've changed their website recently. The pdf link was easier to find from the old site. I've written to Jane Hutt today asking (again) for this and the Welsh Women's Aid transgender policies to be removed due to not being properly impact assessed.

There was a link to the toolkit from this page, but it doesn't seem to work any more.
youthcymru.org.uk/all-projects/

The link you posted and my one above still seem to work.

BadgertheBodger · 29/10/2019 20:43

It’s winding me up quite considerably that they think slinking around deleting things while pretending everything is totes fine nothing to see here at all. This blank refusal to acknowledge they’re in the wrong is outrageous, it seems to indicate that they think they can get away with it. Well, no. That’s not how democracy works. If you have a procedure which ought to be followed then you can fucking well follow it. At the moment it just looks like the same old rank misogyny and lack of giving a shit for anyone who isn’t super special sparkly trans.

Ereshkigal · 29/10/2019 22:48

Well done, FOIrequester, you're doing a fantastic job holding their feet to the fire.

Ereshkigal · 29/10/2019 23:05

Another update on the Denbighshire schools policy FOI. I've just had a response to the internal review. They have sent the same document again with a bit more detail about what they are doing for trans children, but they have still only considered one of the protected characteristics covered by the Equality Act.

This seems to be happening in a number of areas. Clearly training in how to carry out an EIA, and what the point of them is, is somewhat lacking.

FOIrequester · 19/11/2019 15:54

I've had a reply from Denbighshire Council to my second FOI request about the consultation for the transgender policy. I must admit I'm a bit surprised at what seems to have passed for a consultation.

www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/consultation_for_the_gender_iden#incoming-1471480

It appears they held two 'consultation sessions', one for invited attendees representing 'Schools, Governing Bodies and Professionals' and one for young people (also invited). There is no indication of a wider consultation taking place for people who didn't attend these sessions - I will ask for confirmation of this once I have read the information they've sent more thoroughly.

@OhGodWhatTheHellNow @dontdoxmeeither do you know if your schools were invited to this?

FOIrequester · 19/11/2019 16:14

This is the questionnaire.

The first question is about confidentiality:
"Please discuss this key point from the draft Transgender Policy for Denbighshire Schools and answer the following questions:"
"School staff shouldn't tell anyone else about a young person's transgender status unless they have to legally, or the young person has asked them to. This includes telling parents or carers, professionals and other young people"
"1. What might make this difficult for young people and for schools?"

The draft policy said that parents shouldn't be told if their child identifies as transgender. There is no option in their questionnaire for anyone to suggest that this might not be in the child's best interests, they just ask for suggestions on how to implement it.

This isn't a consultation - they'd already decided what was going into it before these sessions.

OhGodWhatTheHellNow · 19/11/2019 21:09

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OhGodWhatTheHellNow · 19/11/2019 21:11

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