Teenaged victim of a grooming gang was arrested 5 times

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The abuse began when she was 11

She spent five years being repeatedly raped and says police turned a blind eye despite knowledge of what was happening. When her rapists plied her with drugs to make it easier for them to assault her police arrested her and issued a warning for possession.

I'm sat at my desk feeling like I could cry for Cassie and her lost childhood

The fact that she was a girl stopped the police seeing that she was a child didn't it? misogyny wins over compassion, every, every fucking time

This is what happens to children who don't have parents to advocate for them. Why is the state failing children so comprehensively?

metro.co.uk/2019/05/19/police-arrested-grooming-victim-who-was-raped-by-100-men-9600860/

A lot of men believe it's some women's (and girls') destiny to be prostitutes.

The police up there wtf. Institutionalised sexism.

How long do you think it takes to overcome grooming, coercive control and Stockholm syndrome?

The immature child victims were groomed by the "boyfriend model" where they felt loved and valued by a particular man. They would do anything to protect him and wouldn't hear any criticism because he was the one good thing in their lives.

Arresting the children for a criminal offence meant that you had 12 -24 hours to break through - earn trust, show kindness, show empathy, persuade, cajole and even intimate that they could be in trouble themselves - anything to try and overcome the silence, the refusals, the glares and hostility.

How long do you think it took to get the first one to explore her treatment as abuse, as rape, as coercion, as exploitation and to begin to tell her story? How long do you think that it took to persuade these children to tell their stories in the full glare of a courtroom, and under cross examination?

How far do you think the police would have got in prosecuting the abusers, without the full cooperation of brave children who let down their barriers?

Answer: A few convictions for 'harbouring a runaway' or other minor offences, possibly. A few cases thrown out of court for lack of evidence, possibly. Instead, after months and years of complex investigations involving networks of travelling abusers and brainwashed children, the perps are serving lengthy prison sentences for the most serious offences.

People think it's easy to overcome a complex package of grooming plus coercive control plus Stockholm syndrome in a child. People think its just a question of locking up the perpetrator without knowing the details of what has occured, where and with whom.

If only. I wish.

You don't build trust by arresting a victim. That's total bullshit Pam. She was thirteen.

If you read the article she was saved by being put in foster care hundreds of miles away from her home where all this was happening.

It said Cassie was suing the council who were supposed to have cared for her. I hope she gets a big payout and that will make them learn some lessons.

It seems like nothing changes. I remember reading about Saville getting away with abusing the girls in a children's home because they were "bad girls." When will those in power learn?

There is a theme building which I think is wrong (happy t be challenged or corrected) Anne Cryer didn’t challenge white grooming - I don’t believe she saw any - and people think the times newspaper has not gone hard enough on trans issues - I believe they are leading GC thought in the MSM - there is an old truism - the left spend their time looking for traitors - the right look for covnverts - please can we not waste time looking for traitors or people who dont fully align with our views - it’s wasted time energy and effort

"Anne Cryer didn’t challenge white grooming - I don’t believe she saw any"

I do not believe it existed, certainly not on the scale which we are now aware of in Rochdale, Rotherham, Telford, Newcastle etc, where many thousands of young girls (mainly white) were groomed and abused by many hundreds (at least) men from one community.
Yes, it was men responsible for these horrific acts, but it wasn't all men.
Yes, it was the police who were largely responsible for victim blaming, but also social services, and probably some politicians.
Just like the transgender movement today, this was a political hot potato which nobody wanted to touch for fear of being burnt.
Sarah Champion was forced to resign from the shadow cabinet because she spoke out about it, and ironically Sajid Javid was heavily criticised for openly questioning why it was ONE community which was responsible for these acts.

NAMALT all you like, but the facts are that enough men are like that for it to be a massive problem

And I don’t believe that only men of certain races are prone to sexually preying on children (ffs), do you?

Yes in Rochdale I believe the ethnicity of the abusers made those in power more reluctant to see and combat the abuse for fear of being seen as racist. And people were prevented from speaking about what was happening for the same reason

But come on, do you really believe that gangs of white men have never groomed and abused children?

Focusing on the race aspect misses the point, as if by ejecting all Asian people from the country we could do away with child sexual exploitation (double ffs)

The problem here is the child sexual exploitation, not the ethnicity of the people doing it. It’s the CSE we should be talking about

The girls in Rotherham were prostituted so it's highly likely there were white buyers for them too.

"But come on, do you really believe that gangs of white men have never groomed and abused children?"

Not in the UK, and certainly not on this scale. Can you give an example where 1400 white girls were abused by 100's of white men in a co-ordinated manner?
Certain other points you make are frankly insulting. Why would I want all Asian people ejected from the country?

Yes, we all know it is a man problem. But are you saying that, as another thread said, that "men will always rape women"? Is it not true that violence against women and girls is currently increasing? Is it not the case that certain areas of the country are worse for it than others?

If we don't accept that 'men will always rape women', if we agree that male behaviour is variable, then we need to look at other factors that affect that male behaviour. Specifically, cultural factors. This is not about "race": it is about the learned behaviour that is treated as acceptable in different cultures. And yes, native British men have a lot to answer for: but we are importing problems too.

Race was a confounding factor in Rotherham, but men sexually preying on female children is not, and never has been a race issue

Let’s at least be honest with ourselves about that

This ^^

Also as Lisa Muggeridege described in one of her interviews with Taxi Driver concern about the inevitable appropriation by far right racist groups was also significant factor not as is often incorrectly suggested that the social demographics of these particular grooming gangs were withheld solely because of 'political correctness'

I really think it would be helpful if we ditched the concept of "race" here and talked about "culture". Learned behaviour, enforced within a social sphere.

So is the exploitation and abuse of children only something we should talk about when it’s done in an organised way, and perpetrated by a specific group of people?

Yes I think people are starting from the race aspect not the abuse aspect, that’s what interests and enrages them about the current grooming scandals

I really think it would be helpful if we ditched the concept of "race" here and talked about "culture". Learned behaviour, enforced within a social sphere

Yes, I really agree with this

There's clearly a lot of intersecting anger going on. But what middle class people really have to start getting their heads round, is that the anger is legitimate and deserves to be heard, and investigated. There are conflicts between different cultures in Britain, and women are taking the brunt as they always do.

It might then become easier to see how western cultural 'memes', for want of a better word, are sweeping in through the internet and social media and making women's lives worse too.

but the point is, if we start from the position of ‘isn’t it terrible that people from those cultures do this?’ We hide the fact that this has always happened

Again, it’s a man problem, not a culture problem

It's not just "people from those cultures" that do that then though. It's focusing in on their behaviours, and as Sarah says, the social structures that support them. They're what we need to target. Starting with our own British Law and "Justice" system. Get that right, and then enforce it across the country, for all.

Depressing but helpful post Sarah

Really interesting

Theres also a serious problem with the care system that is never addressed. As a group, children in care do not thrive. I know social workers who's expectations of children in care is low and their attitude towards them appalling.
You cant talk to them about it. They are defensive of the system, have a prepared answer for everything, and don't see themselves as part of the problem.

Sarah I’m so sorry to hear how this has affected you, but your posts are really interesting