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Update: identifying as non-binary for work award

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Somerville1234 · 03/04/2019 02:02

Can't find the old thread... but anyway, there's an award/opportunity at work, only for people who are LGBT+++. I don't remember all the categories but they included genderqueer, genderfluid and genderfree. Also K, which I'm reliably informed stands for kink lifestyle. I don't understand why someone would need a special thing at work for getting off on weeing and whips (?? I don't watch porn, I don't have a clue), but maybe I'm just old fashioned. Anyway, old fashioned or not, I'm gender free because I don't believe in gender. And I wanted the professional opportunity. (Forgive me for the vagueness - being careful because of doxxing.) And you lot were encouraging...

I ended up applying - which didn't involve saying how I met the criteria, just ticking that I did. And then I was perpexedly approached by my woke boss.
(WB "Erm... so you realise that this is for LGBT+++ employees, Somer?"
S "Yes."
WB "Erm...it was my understanding you're a straight woman...?"
S "I'm genderfree and-"
WB: "Really?"
S "Yes, and I think I need to remind you that the staff handbook recommends that no-one should assume anybody elses's gender."
WB: "Oh, terribly sorry about that.")

I then had a lovely meeting with HR where they were very keen to update my pronouns on the system. I told them that being gender free I require the box beside gender to be left empty, but that I can accept female pronouns because that's my biological sex. They were happy with this novel idea Smile and to learn more about the difference between sex and gender. They young HR person didn't know they're not synonyms but he learns something new every day apparently.

And now... I've heard I'm shortlisted for the next round!
It's been announced to the whole company, and I've had a few bemused looks but no direct transphobia, I'm happy to report. Smile
My longsuffering DH (works in same field) has been teased a bit for my gender identity but he's happy to suffer for the sake of my fight for equality. Smile

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LizzieSiddal · 03/04/2019 08:49

This is worse than Rachel Dolezal because your intention is to disrupt equalities activities.

For goodness sake, listen to yourself. A woman entering an award which explicitly states includes “genderfree” people, is the same as what RD did?

We should all declare ourselves “genderfree”!

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SophoclesTheFox · 03/04/2019 08:50

But yours didn’t have stupid typos like mine did, rufus 😘

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AlunWynsKnee · 03/04/2019 08:51

Somerville you absolute legend! I remember your original thread and it's very brave and stunning of you to have gone for the award. Good luck in the next round.

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OVAgroundWOMBlingfree · 03/04/2019 08:52

This is worse than Rachel Dolezal because your intention is to disrupt equalities activities.

Are you suggesting that gender free isn’t a real identity? Are you denying the existence of the gender free in our society?

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LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 03/04/2019 08:53

And if you don’t win - just self ID as the winner and refuse to be told otherwise.

That’s how they works these days isn’t it? Do you get a plaque or cup? Or a sash? Crown? Day off work?

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wrathofVitriolKlop · 03/04/2019 08:54

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD
Grin

Leprechaun
Goats, Billy
Troll
Queens
Kings
Porns

This has brightened up my morning.

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Stuffofawesome · 03/04/2019 08:55

You are a hero / Shero / ze-ro. Or something

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ILoveMaxiBondi · 03/04/2019 08:56

Oh well done you OP!! Well done indeed. If I worked for a company I would be marching to HR right now and insisting on having my “gender” left blank.

Btw: do kink enthusiasts face discrimination? How to gay, lesbian and bisexual people feel about sexual fetishists being included under the LGB umbrella?

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MsMcWoodle · 03/04/2019 08:59

Absolutely stunning. I'm guessing your breastfeeding issues would have been dealt with in double quick time if you called it 'chestfeeding' too.

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IM0GEN · 03/04/2019 08:59

I then had a lovely meeting with HR where they were very keen to update my pronouns on the system. I told them that being gender free I require the box beside gender to be left empty, but that I can accept female pronouns because that's my biological sex. They were happy with this novel idea smile and to learn more about the difference between sex and gender. They young HR person didn't know they're not synonyms but he learns something new every day apparently

This is wonderful . I ❤️ you Somerville.

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FermatsTheorem · 03/04/2019 09:00

Somerville, you're a legend!

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Ereshkigal · 03/04/2019 09:01

You can't have it both ways, you either believes people's subjective self-declared gender identities or you don't

Exactly this.

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wrathofVitriolKlop · 03/04/2019 09:04

I might phone Mermaids for advice for my gender free kids.

OTOH maybe not.

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ErrolTheDragon · 03/04/2019 09:06

Awesome, OP. Beautifully handled.

The woke boss should just be glad not to have had a queue of people claiming K status - I mean, would the company require proof, is there a definition? Confused

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Minniemagoo · 03/04/2019 09:07

Brilliant! (And kudos to your Dh too!)
Best of luck in the next round!

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Sarahandco · 03/04/2019 09:08

What is the prize?

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Haworthia · 03/04/2019 09:10

It’s nice to see inclusion of kink in a company award.

LOL

How on earth is it considered appropriate to bring your kinky “identity” to work?

But it was good enough for Pips Bunce I suppose...

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LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 03/04/2019 09:12

So if asked to describe yourself it wouldn’t be
Woman
Irish
Tall/short
Mum/Wife
Blonde
Funny/smart
Shy

You’d go for ‘kink’ first? That’s very telling... (as an ex therapist anyway 🤔)

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BernardBlacksWineIcelolly · 03/04/2019 09:12

This is brilliant, rooting for you Somerville

And checkwoke

Grin

Love it

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drspouse · 03/04/2019 09:13

Perfect OP!
I have had people trying to define me as agender. They seem to think that everyone who isn't wedded to stereotypes must fit in a box of their making. I'm not sure if this is a good thing or a bad thing.

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drspouse · 03/04/2019 09:14

(As in, whether playing along with it is validating the idea or making it clear it's bankrupt).

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Estcarpwitch · 03/04/2019 09:14

This is wonderful. Well done. It's a great way to fight back and I will use it on all forms which ask for gender. I will write next to the box - gender free. As I don't feel I conform to any gender stereotypes it's not even twisting the truth. Brilliant.

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Datun · 03/04/2019 09:16

Excellent OP. And good to see you re-educating your HR department too.

It's very reassuring for people like us to finally be given a category. Very inclusive.

I mean the whole of mumsnet, all 12, million, could identify as gender free overnight. Fabulous stuff. I'm already feeling much more brave and utterly stunning.

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wrathofVitriolKlop · 03/04/2019 09:17

Will kink turn up as a protected characteristic, like the word gender?

As seen on the government website.

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OVAgroundWOMBlingfree · 03/04/2019 09:21

So if we are gender free (and I truly believe I am, as gender is bollocks) are we now trans?

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