Jewish Chronicle: Could transgender rights infringe upon religious rights?

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Some in the Orthodox community feel that a proposed legal amendment to expand transgender rights in the UK could threaten their own religious rights*

www.thejc.com/news/news-features/transgender-rights-clash-with-religious-rights-1.470798

I'm amazed our Muslim community has kicked off more about this.

If the Muslim community dare to say anything about this it will just be used to show how "mediaeval" Islam is, with more calls for them to go back where they came from.

In fact, a majority Muslim school seems to have been particularly chosen to pilot a sex-education course teaching children how easy it is to change sex, so that the protests from Muslim parents would make objecting to that course seem like the stuff of backward thinking people.

If groups from the observant Jewish, Muslim and Christian communities could entirely divest themselves from engaging with the alphabet soup of TQA+++ and clearly state that they cannot support the removal of single-sex spaces and the teaching of gender ideology to children, that would be powerful. That's it. They embrace their Equality Act 2010 rights (belief).

And completely disassociate the TQA+++ from the LBG. Just focus. Focus on this nonsense about performative gender ideology and kink in schools, and leave the private sphere of sexual orientation well alone.

I think she wrote about the fact that orthodox women can't. Not that she can't.

I think religious groups should organise on this because lots of ‘be kind’ type people hate women who don’t want to just be quiet service humans.The same be kind people do want to be seen to stick up for minoritised groups which would include some religious communities though.

Sticking up for people who don't believe the same as you can be very difficult. Perfect example is the way many TRAs will not stick up for the right of people to express the opposite opinion to theirs. It only seems to be GC people who support a plurality of views, including the right for people to express the opposite opinion to theirs.

The only way 'modest' women such as orthodox Muslims or Jews get supported in their views is when this support is seen as'freeing' them from the patriarchal misogyny of their religion. Supporting religious women's right to women's spaces will be presented as supporting the misogyny that enforced this segregation on them in the first place.

I think some of these religions are already viewed with suspicion by liberal groups about the reasons they segregate in the first place (viewing women as always needing to be protected from men, or dishonoured if they have contact with non familial men) as being misogynistic and oppressive.

I tend to think that there is some truth in that, but regardless of whether we agree with these religious practices, women from these strict religious groups have more right to be in women's public spaces than any man with a self identity problem.

I don't think they categorise people with strict religious beliefs as worthy of protection. Just think how often people arguing for women's rights are described as 'right wing Christians'. This is intended as an insult, not as an argument for protecting our rights.

If they view Christians as right-wing bigots, why would they view Jews, Muslims or any other religious group differently?

Just noting that many of these religions are otherwise oppressive to women and ideas about sexual segregation are often based on controlling women and not liberating us.

Our enemy's enemy is not always our best friend.