Mermaids want "trans kids" to legally change sex

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I guess it's hardly surprising, but here's the GRA consultancy guidance that Mermaids have put out...

www.mermaidsuk.org.uk/assets/media/Mermaids%20Guidance%20Pack_Responding%20to%20the%20GRA%20Consultation.pdf

not RTFT

In repsonse to title > but of course they do.

Now will read.

Children frequently get bees in their bonnets about all sorts of crap. My sister was absolutely going to join the police, DS was going to do all sorts to be honest, I was going to either be a witch or live in a big house with logs if dogs. I really really wanted to be a witch though.

R0wantrees, what annoys me the most about this TED-talk is that if you take her narrative at face value what happened was:
Son was gendernonconforming, she was ok with it but husband could not take it and tried to make the kid be like a boy, basically teaching the kid that if he likes girl stuff he is a girl.
And then the transjourney started. I sure wonder how the kid's journey would have looked, had both parents been ok with a 'pink boy'.

Not sure, Bienchen.

The youngest person with SRS is Kim Petras, I believe she was operated on in Germany. What is a document change compared to that?

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1135724/From-Tim-Kim-German-pop-star-16-worlds-youngest-transsexual-sex-change-op.html

Exactly. Like we did a generation ago. Some grew up gay, some straight, some bi - and a teeny tiny transsexual. Why is it now decided that they are actually in the wrong body? Are gay people now all saying that they really wished they'd had surgery when they were a child? Quite the opposite a rally - I'm hearing horror that they would have been sterilised and had surgery before they could decide what they were happy with.

She is a straight woman - how dare she decide for another human being? How the hell could she know that a small child 'needed' this?

Gosh, all kids have some sort of confusion growing up.
I was convinced I was a lesbian because I played with boys rather than try to date them. I climbed trees, played outside a lot and had no interest in hair and make up.
I've been married for 27 years, have 3 dc and have a fulfilled sex life.
I could well have bi tendencies, I'm not sure, but I know I'm not gay.

I began playing football - about which I was obsessed (the first in a series of obsessions, if I'm honest) - when I was 9. I was a bit crap, though you don't admit that to yourself as a child, and I dreamed of playing for my favourite club and for England. If someone had told me I could 'change sex', I have no doubt I'd have said "Oh, yeah!"

Fast forward to age 14 and the next obsession (a popular beat combo) kicked in with a vengeance. I fancied the pants off one of the blokes in the group - all thoughts of being a bloke long vanished.

Kids, eh? Getting mad, unfeasible ideas in their heads for thousands of years. Only now, some adults - including the ones with most responsibility for protecting them - are encouraging them to do some particularly drastic things to themselves as a result.

I know others have already said this - but parents who take their daughters abroad to be genitally mutilated get arrested and charged with a criminal offence...

Of course they do.

Fucking hell.

I have never read an account of a 'trans child' that doesn't betray the parents old-fashioned and damaging views about gender stereotypes. Or involve a child who has experienced trauma, abuse or mental health difficulties.

I have ChrysanthemumsAreMums but they're almost always autistic (which is more neurological than mental health related).

Normally people don't recognise the fact that their parents are misguided arseholes until they are around 30 years old.

I wonder whether any 'transkids' are nearing that age?

NopeNi

Ah yes. I forgot about the link with autism too

Are there any other little mermaids in the family? Odd choice of name - a mythical creature who neither belonged here nor there and died because of it.

Oh Fekko

"Odd choice of name - a mythical creature who neither belonged here nor there and died because of it."

Granted I'm hormonal today but that's stopped me in my tracks.

Just watched that Ted talk in which Jackie says "it's part of my DNA" with no sense of irony at all.

I came across this a few weeks ago:

(2014?) Mermaids and Action for Children joint portfolio of work, including project for schools, 'Where do the Mermaids Stand?':
www.mermaidsuk.org.uk/assets/media/Mermaid%20Brochure.pdf

www.actionforchildren.org.uk/what-we-do/children-young-people/identity-lesbian-gay-bisexual-transgender/

With apolgies for the de-rail but I find the 'Where do the Mermaids Stand' essay by Robert Fulghum cited in the guide as curious. Its from a very popular 1980's book (apparently) 'Lessons I Learned in Kindergarton'

The premis is that a game is set up and children are asked to choose one of three options; wizard, dwarf or giant. One child rejects these & wants to be a mermaid / says they are a mermaid. They are exempt from the game, standing with him instead and the child's comments leads to his 'profound' musings.

However, a different reading of the situation is that this one child either doesn't understand the game or refuses to play by the rules. An adult may, instead of elevating the child to special status and celebrating their assertion, have explained the game again or modified the next round to instead have mermaids, dragons and minotaurs for example.
The other question is, what if more or all children had also chosen to be different mythical / fairy tale creatures than the three he chose? What would the kindergarton teacher then done as the game (which was set-up to engage & manage a large number of children) would have failed in its purpose?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_I_Really_Need_to_Know_I_Learned_in_Kindergarten

& wondered if this essay was the basis for naming the UK charity Mermaids?

from thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/mumsnet_facebook_live/3343961-Facebook-Live-about-talking-to-kids-about-staying-safe-from-abuse-with-NSPCC?pg=20#prettyPhoto/4/

Funny how the timeline differs between the mothers and the kids section on the ted talks.

Either way, That kid has been failed

I've been trying to figure out for a while what the hell is motivation behind the actions of this 'charity'. This Susie Green character seems to be trying to convince as many parents as possible to trans their kids in order to normalise it, because of some deep-seated guilt about what she did to her son? Is that it?

What was Mermaids like as an organisation before she became CEO? I gather they've been around since 1995, so was the pre-Susie era better?

I always thought "Mermaids" was basically about transformation of a particularly "feminine" kind.
Fish tail or openable legs. You choose.

Some one pointed out on twitter that in sailors' tattoos, mermaids were what men used to signpost they like giving blow jobs but aren't into sodomy.

Amnesty on GRA
'If you are the parent of a trans child or a young trans or non-binary person check out Mermaids’ guidance to respond to the consultation.'
(extract)
" 2. Children and young people should have access to legal gender recognition

Trans and non-binary children and young people are currently completely excluded from applying for legal gender recognition and the government has vowed to maintain this exclusion. While trans and non-binary children and young people can change their gender on other documents, such as passports, they must wait until they turn 18 to be able to obtain a gender recognition certificate. This puts them at risk of their privacy being violated and of discrimination. Young trans and non-binary people suffer greatly from discrimination and bullying: 8 in 10 trans people bullied at school or college are self-harming.

The UN Convention on the Rights of the Child (CRC) requires states to respect the right of children to be heard and to duly take into account their views. Legal gender recognition should be accessible to minors, taking into account the child’s freely expressed views regarding their own best interests, and in light of their evolving capacities. A blanket age restriction would not be appropriate to achieve this - absolute denial of legal gender recognition to individuals under a given age is not consistent with existing standards regarding the rights of children.

AIUK recommends that the self-determination process is open to those aged 16 and above. For those aged 16 and below there should be an administrative process based on parental support. A back-up mechanism should be available by which a child without parental support should be able to apply for gender recognition – ideally an administrative rather than court-based process." (continues)

www.amnesty.org.uk/have-your-say-gender-recognition-act