Aimee Challenor & Stonewall

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Does anyone know when Aimee Challenor joined the Stonewall trans advisory group? I'm trying to work out if they were involved in the Stonewall doc re trans children should be assured of complete confidentiality, which goes against every safeguarding protocol known to....Well, everyone except TRAS apparently. Tia

According to OnlyIndieRadio (Twitter) since 2015 (buried in a PilgrimTucker thread) - I've no idea of source of that claim as Stonewall allows people to be anonymous.

Ok thanks. Will try and do some digging to confirm but I'm a bit of a luddite.....

It looks like Aimee has been part of the Advisory Group since at least 2016?
There is an archived webpage 2016 of the Trans Advisory Group here:
<a class="break-all" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20160408152139/www.stonewall.org.uk/trans-advisory-group" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">web.archive.org/web/20160408152139/www.stonewall.org.uk/trans-advisory-group

But AC was involved with Stonewall's Youth Programme before that.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3354323-Stonewall-hides-from-answering-questions-about-a-child-sex-abusers-influence-on-their-trans-policy-while-releasing-propaganda-to-sway-GRA-consultation

Does anyone know when Aimee Challenor joined the Stonewall trans advisory group?

Ruth Hunt CEO Stonewall will have some serious questions to answer about how the charity has worked with Aimee Challenor, a vulnerable young person.

Charities have a duty of care towards their volunteers as well as those supported / advocated for.

(NB I don't have the link to the source of this tweet so its not confirmed)

Thanks doedoe.

How old was Aimee in November 2014? Was she under 18?

Must have been: if Aimee is 20 now, that makes Aimee 16 in 2014.

Unless I misremember that case review, it seems likely DOB is 1st October 1997?

Aimee's DOB is 1/10/1997. I believe Aimee was appointed to both Stonewall trans panel & elected Green LGBTACDEFHIJKMNOPQRSTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTUVWXYZ rep while aged 17.

Gendered Intelligence who also responded to AC Nov 2014 (link above) is not a charity, however:

'A bit about our legal status
Gendered Intelligence is a Community Interest Company (CIC) rather than a registered charity. Whilst we have broadly charitable aims, we operate in a slightly different way to that allowed for charities. Not everyone has heard of CICs, as they are a relatively new legal option, so here's a bit of an explanation:

Being a CIC means to be legally and irrevocably established as a not-for-profit, asset-locked body (like a charity), so anyone who donates anything to us can be certain that any and all donations will go towards achieving our social / charitable aims.

Grant makers recognise CICs as an appropriate form to fund, and Comic Relief, Children in Need, the Big Lottery and the Wellcome Trust to name just a few will all make grants to CICs.

Also like a charity, we are regulated. Our regulator is the Community Interest Regulator and Gendered Intelligence has to report on how we have achieved our social aims every year (like a charity reports to the Charity Commission on its public benefit) so that those who donate to us (whether in money or time) can see what we've achieved with our resources.'
genderedintelligence.co.uk/support-us/donate

P.S. Jess Bradley (NUS) person who likes to expose his penis in public places is also on the Stone Wall trans advisory committe

Aimee Challenor aged 17 was a formerly Looked After Child (possibly with on-going Social Care involvement) with special needs and from a family know known to be abusive so a vulnerable young person.

October 2015 it's on Aimee Challenors website under 'my work'

Possibly Stonewall might like to familiarise itself with its duty with regard to safeguarding both minors and vulnerable adults, which includes protecting them from exploitation:

www.gov.uk/government/publications/strategy-for-dealing-with-safeguarding-issues-in-charities/strategy-for-dealing-with-safeguarding-issues-in-charities

The focus now really should be on those adults and organisations who 'worked' with her.

Possibly Stonewall might like to familiarise itself with its duty with regard to safeguarding both minors and vulnerable adults, which includes protecting them from exploitation

This^

Given how successful AC's family were in rejecting SS intervention and indeed presenting themselves as people skilled at self-advocacy, I'm uncertain how welcome an 'exploitation' assessment would have been.

I can't think of ways in which background checks/assessment can be conducted without being deemed to violate people's rights to privacy (the family of a young person as well as the young person). That said, the Anonymous connection and possibly the RSPCA didn't turn up until 2015?

ROwentree, Many of Aimee tweets indicate that she was/and still is having assistance and guidance from social services. I'm wondering if these were the contacts that got her involved with organisations like the GP and Stonewall initially. Have Coventry Social Services got questions to answer?

I agree Aimee is vulnerable, however they have also been informing trans policy in at least 2 institutions, and any input they've had needs to be thoroughly scrutinised to check for impacts on safeguarding.

From the stonewall website:

"MEMBERS OF THE GROUP WERE APPOINTED FOLLOWING AN EXTENSIVE APPLICATION AND RECRUITMENT PROCESS. PLEASE NOTE, SOME MEMBERS OF THE GROUP HAVE ELECTED TO REMAIN ANONYMOUS, SO HAVE NOT BEEN INCLUDED ON THIS LIST. "

And

"The Stonewall Trans Advisory Group supports the integration of trans equality across all of our campaigns and programmes." Their campaigns and programmes include resources used in both primary and secondary schools.

That means that people who wish to remain anonymous are allowed to inform programmes and resources used in schools?

Why would they wish the remain anonymous?

I agree Aimee is vulnerable, however they have also been informing trans policy in at least 2 institutions, and any input they've had needs to be thoroughly scrutinised to check for impacts on safeguarding.

Yes both are true.
Being 'vulnerable' in the context above context passes specific responsibilities to charities and organisations.

Yes both are true. Being 'vulnerable' in the context above context passes specific responsibilities to charities and organisations.

Exactly. Organisations promoting Aimee should reflect on their duty not to exploit vulnerable adults (or minors) as part of inward safeguarding. They should also reflect on their duty to ensure fit and proper persons have input on their outward safeguarding policy and advocacy.

It all comes down to affirmation without corroboration (ie not seeing the need for a diagnosis of gender dysphoria and/or unqualified acceptance of gender identity).

AC's rapid onset dysphoria was accepted at face value by political bodies like Stonewall and the Greens. It was validated and affirmed. As can be seen now, AC would have been better served by seeing healthcare professionals rather than launched in a career as a professional trans lobbyist, keyboard warrior and public speaker.

BBC Coventry & Warwick interview with Aimee Challenor today:
instaud.io/2DNA

extract of transcript by RedToothBrush:

BBC: What about your role in public life now, your role in the green party, your resigning from the party about this suggests you are going to take a step back from public life. What indeed will you do.

AC: I wouldn't say I was stepping back fully from public life. I am taking a break defnitely, but equally I'm a trans person publically notable and that won't wash away. That doesn't just stop at the drop of a hat. I'm quite lucky, I'm 20. I've contested elections at local and national level. I've been involved in global politics. I've been an expert at the Oxford Union. I've done so much in such a short timeframe. I don't think I'm going to live a boring life. Theres still so much more to be done. I've got so much time. And I'm still going to be speaking out loudly for Coventry, for Coventry's residents, for LGBT equality as a member of Stonewalls Trans Advisory Group and on other matters. I've always enjoyed speaking out for what I believe in. Standing up for what matters. ANd I'm going to continue to do that. Just clearly not under the Green Party banner. "

from thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/a3351201-Green-Party-thread-3