The Times reports on BACP's regressive sexist guidelines for therapists

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www.thetimes.co.uk/article/women-are-vain-except-in-the-north-ghhwq5z3q?shareToken=61578a8ffad975efde4a174c3e0eecaf

I'm all confused. I'm a northern than Northern Wumman, as I'm a Scot. Does that make me a Southern because i'm so far round the globe that I've gone back on myself? Or am I a different kind of hooman altogether? A Scottish? Where, exactly, is the cutoff between Northern and being Northern Northern? I'm in Fife, so we're, quite rightly, a Kingdom in our own darn right. Does that mean anything? Help, where do I fit in?? Oh, the trauma of not being catered for....I may just diiiiieeeeeeeee if I'm not verified.....

Glad you like it, nauticant! I don't see Dr B as Pamela, though. I see from a cursory Google that Dr B has written a lot about polyamory. Does anyone know how this is different from having an open relationship? EL is described on Wikipedia as Dr B's domestic partner, which makes them sound like housemates.

"The public agrees with us, not you", TRAs have said on here for years.

Not so much, apparently.

polyamory. Does anyone know how this is different from having an open relationship?

This may well not extrapolate to the practice of polyamory elsewhere but I know people in the UK who have had a public commitment ceremony to a polyamorous partner (in one case because one partner is married and has a domicile with married partner not the non-resident polyamorous partner). For me, that differs markedly from the usual "open relationship" but I may be very wrong.

Yes, I suppose it would encompass polygamy and polyandry.

socio' I too wondered about the northern/ Scottish divide, does it peeter out at Berwick upon Tweed ? Is the north anything in the UK above the Watford Gap, there are sooo many unanswered questions. Those in Edinburgh might well suggest they were more genteel than the hoydens in Glasgow, coming from there they might be right 😉. There are so many more stereotypes they could have thrown in I am disappointed only Northern English women got singled out.

Maybe MJB has confused real life with Game of Thrones? The wildling women do actually fit his description.

Perhaps Mother of Dragons could have a word about all this sexist nonsense?

Isn't the Mother of Dragons southern in both the imaginary realm and the one we all (well, maybe not Meg-John) live in?

She is, I’m just expecting her to clean up all of the sexism, north and south, because she has dragon!

And the wildling women live on the other side of the wall, so they must be the Scots, the Starks are the northern English women. I think all of the women in GoT are more realistic than anything in the BACP document.

dragonS

Plural.

(These nails are crap for typing. I should be more trans northern in my appearance, clearly.)

I guess Arya fits the northern stereotype?

I think all of the women in GoT are more realistic than anything in the BACP document.

The bloody dragons are more realistic than anything in that document...

TigerDrank great spot with Widmerpool. And now I must binge watch the adaptation (again)!

This comment is beneath The Telegraph piece

David Mackereth 3 Sep 2018 4:57PM
To you who are men who are reading this.

You know what it feels like to be a man.

If we let the politicians do this, manhood as we understand it will cease to exist. So why are we not working together to defend our masculinity. Or is it already too late? Are there no men who are men left?

socio' I too wondered about the northern/ Scottish divide, does it peeter out at Berwick upon Tweed

I'm feeling quite anxious as my DGCs are in the south whilst I'm in Scotland. I wonder if I wear rollers and a pinny or maybe stillettos and plunging vest top, and shout whyaye alot I'll be able to pass through the danger zone, without being attacked by the northern harridans?

I wonder if I wear rollers and a pinny or maybe stillettos and plunging vest top, and shout whyaye alot I'll be able to pass through the danger zone, without being attacked by the northern harridans?

You do realise this is the sole purpose of domestic airports, right? You can overfly the badlands.

The comments are good!

I can't see the Telegraph piece or its comments but some of the Times ones are good.

I identify as a dragon BTW. Natal northern, then (reluctantly) trans southern but now detransitioned except for my permanently mutilated vowels.

Never mind... hear me roar!

This was the original piece by MegJohn Barker with the reference to northern working class women. .......

2.6 Gender identity :woman
Definitions
Whether trans or cisgender, intersex or not, many people identify as women. However, what this means varies a great deal depending on their other intersecting attributes. It is important not to assume, for example, that being a woman necessarily involves being able to bear children, or having XX sex chromosomes, or breasts. Being a woman in a British cultural context often means adhering to social norms of feminitiy, such as being nurturing, caring, social, emotional, vulnerable, and concerned with appearance.
However, of course, not all women adhere to all these things. For example some neurodiverse women (on the autistic/aspergic/ADHD spectrums) may struggle to express emotions or with social situations. In some northern working-class contexts femininity is associated with strength and aggression. As always an intersectional understanding is vital and we need to be mindful that what is culturally regarded as the epitome of feminity is white, middle class, youthful, non-disabled, heterosexual, cisgender and thin. This strongly shapes all women’s experiences of womanhood.

Jeesh!

Surely nobody who has cared for a baby could have written that appalling sentence about assigning sex at birth based on the length of the penis/clitoris.

I thought about that today while washing my boy AMAB baby's balls.

*This was the original piece by MegJohn Barker with the reference to northern working class women. .......

2.6 Gender identity :woman
Definitions
Whether trans or cisgender, intersex or not, many people identify as women. However, what this means varies a great deal depending on their other intersecting attributes. It is important not to assume, for example, that being a woman necessarily involves being able to bear children, or having XX sex chromosomes, or breasts. Being a woman in a British cultural context often means adhering to social norms of feminitiy, such as being nurturing, caring, social, emotional, vulnerable, and concerned with appearance.
However, of course, not all women adhere to all these things. For example some neurodiverse women (on the autistic/aspergic/ADHD spectrums) may struggle to express emotions or with social situations. In some northern working-class contexts femininity is associated with strength and aggression. As always an intersectional understanding is vital and we need to be mindful that what is culturally regarded as the epitome of feminity is white, middle class, youthful, non-disabled, heterosexual, cisgender and thin. This strongly shapes all women’s experiences of womanhood.*

Speak for yourself.

Oh, wait.

This is also appallingly racist - the epitome of femininity is not culturally regarded as white, at least not any more, I would hope.