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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Woman's Hour discusses adult bullying with representative from 'Ditch The Label' providing expert advice

36 replies

R0wantrees · 13/08/2018 10:35

On now

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53rdWay · 14/08/2018 12:12

Is that the same Ditch the Label who advise bullied kids to sit back, listen and apologise for anything you may have done which may have upset the bully?

NothingOnTellyAgain · 14/08/2018 12:13

One research section on "Makeup Shaming".

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NothingOnTellyAgain · 14/08/2018 12:14

Oh that "research" and campaign are sponsored by a make up brand Confused

NothingOnTellyAgain · 14/08/2018 12:18

No mention of sex in the gaming bullying one.

They have used gender for sex so then are unable to draw any conclusions around sex being a factor in online bullying (which everyone knows it is).

However, this is fine as they make no mention of sex OR gender as factor in the level or nature of bullying that happens.

This one appears to be sponsored by some kind of gaming platform.

Ereshkigal · 14/08/2018 12:25

The absolute lack of consideration of women and girls specific experiences and needs is a massive issue all over the world and always has been. Things are not set up for us, and our interests are never represented unless we have a seat at the table AND shout.

Agree. I am not happy to have males speak for women, trans or otherwise.

AppleBlossomTimeNow · 14/08/2018 12:34

Veering slightly off topic, but I'm so disappointed & let that BBC R4 Women's Hour is seemingly not remotely interested in the GRA debate or wider discussions about the 'erasure of women' & the silencing of women's voices. This thread highlights more of the same.

AppleBlossomTimeNow · 14/08/2018 12:35

*let down Confused

R0wantrees · 14/08/2018 16:19

AppleBlossomTimeNow
I think there may be more going on behind the scenes.

We may not neccesarily be aware of the extent to which some journalists such as Jenni Murray and Jane Garvey are subject to BBC / program editors' restrictions etc.

They have said there will be a special series in the autumn looking at sex and gender. They've also asked for submissions to this.

Jenni Murray wrote an article last year which after many complaints led to a public BBC rebuke:
"Jenni Murray: Be trans, be proud — but don’t call yourself a “real woman”
Can someone who has lived as a man, with all the privilege that entails, really lay claim to womanhood? It takes more than a sex change and make-up"

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/be-trans-be-proud-but-dont-call-yourself-a-real-woman-frtld7q5c

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WarmWishes · 14/08/2018 16:37

I was a daily listener until after that article. Afterwards it felt as though the programme had been permanently censored. How is it possible that a programme, aimed at women, cannot be covering the GRA regularly?

AbsintheFriends · 14/08/2018 16:53

I'm pretty much a daily listener and find the silence on this topic is absolutely deafening. It makes me believe (perhaps naively, certainly optimistically) that they aren't discussing it because the presenters couldn't do so without contravening batshit biased bbc policy and risking losing their jobs.

We've heard the way it's played out before on other discussion shows, on TV and radio (Victoria Derbyshire, Jeremy Vine etc) They bring in a TRA and a GC feminist spokesperson, are at pains to give each one equal airtime and the five minute slot gets quickly derailed into bickering about toilets, with the TRA adopting a tone of wounded martyrdom about being accused of being a pervert when all they want to do is live their lives. Point spectacularly missed. Opportunity wasted. Onto the next item, while everyone listening at home is left with a vague sense of bewilderment and storm-in-a-teacup security.

I'm hoping that they're waiting until they can cover it properly, from the perspective of its impact on women and girls. Which is their entire purpose - and what they do with every other subject. No compromise. No confusion. The facts laid out for listeners to draw their own conclusions and decide for themselves how they feel about self-ID.

We'll see.

AnchorMum · 14/08/2018 17:49

AbsintheFriends: "I'm hoping that they're waiting until they can cover it properly, from the perspective of its impact on women and girls. Which is their entire purpose - and what they do with every other subject. No compromise. No confusion. The facts laid out for listeners to draw their own conclusions and decide for themselves how they feel about self-ID."

"Autumn"'could mean anything. They had better cover it before the GRA consultation closes on October 19th.

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