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Cambridge councillor resigns from post and leaves Labour Party over 'betrayal' of women, read her letter here.

44 replies

rocketpocket · 08/08/2018 19:17

blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/08/ive-quit-the-labour-party-because-it-has-betrayed-women/

OP posts:
VickyEadie · 08/08/2018 19:26

Cue the usual suspects tweeting 'Good riddance', etc.

heresyandwitchcraft · 08/08/2018 19:30

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Building self-confidence in women can only be achieved from a place of empathy, from a place of sisterly solidarity, from a place of knowledge because of an actual lived experience. Even a 20-year-old woman would struggle in the role – and have difficulty dealing with 45-year-old women who have the ability, skills and relevant experience, but are unable to see it. If a 20-year-old woman is unlikely to have the depth of insight and the understanding of how life can lead to low self-esteem, how can a 20-year-old natal male take on the role? That’s not only a slap in the face for women members but it’s also ludicrous – no wonder the wider world scoffs.

Because of All Women Shortlists (AWSs) we now have a House of Commons, especially on the Labour benches, that is more representative of the wider population than ever before – but let’s not forget that the wider population is 51pc women, so that improved representation still falls short. AWSs still have work to do. But now, the present iteration of the Labour Party is busily re-writing history to claim that AWSs were never ever exclusively designed for women, so that the Leadership can justify instating natal-male transwomen into women’s places within a mechanism that was designed to circumvent sexism. This is biologically-based sexism – in the Party, without first consulting with ALL women members. It is treachery.

Ann Sinnott

Powerful stuff.

happygolurkey · 08/08/2018 19:32

have been putting off and putting off leaving the Labour Party. When I read Anne's story the other day I decided to hang on in there - there are still decent dedicated women members, I thought. Her bravery inspired me. However, after Andy Birnam's moves in recent days, and now Anne leaving, think i am going to follow her lead and leave too.
the sad thing is though that, in Anne's case, the party has lost another hard-working passionate individual fighting for women's rights. I have mixed feelings, as by leaving we are playing into the trans extremists hands, leaving the political arena entirely to them, and women politically voiceless.

TransplantsArePlants · 08/08/2018 19:33

Excellent letter from Ann. I have today explained ALL of the sorry Labour mess to mum- a longstanding Labour supporter, trade unionist and wife of a Labour councillor. I told her that I will really struggle to vote Labour as long as they fail to tackle the misogyny in the party

happygolurkey · 08/08/2018 19:34

apologies for the spelling error - I meant Ann not Annewww.mumsnet.com/emo/te/8.gif.pagespeed.ce.jNxqqeqaDs.gif

Ereshkigal · 08/08/2018 19:39

Ann, brava Thanks

Ereshkigal · 08/08/2018 19:40

the sad thing is though that, in Anne's case, the party has lost another hard-working passionate individual fighting for women's rights. I have mixed feelings, as by leaving we are playing into the trans extremists hands, leaving the political arena entirely to them, and women politically voiceless.

I know. But I can't blame her. And I haven't left yet for the same reason as you.

Ereshkigal · 08/08/2018 19:40

Sorry bold fail

20nil · 08/08/2018 19:44

Just holding on to my membership and relate to all of this. Sad loss for Labour.

ChattyLion · 08/08/2018 19:47

She’s exactly right. Sad And good on her for setting out her reasons publicly.
Ann Sinnott Flowers sounds just the kind of activist that Labour should be desperately trying to hang on to.

BirthCanal · 08/08/2018 19:49

Succinct letter. To the point. I wonder if the guardian will mention it? Hmm

silentcrow · 08/08/2018 20:09

Have you seen Anne Ruzylo cutting up her card at a WPUK event? Absolutely powerful stuff, all those years of work trashed by this nonsense. Broke my heart to watch.

SarahAr · 08/08/2018 20:38

So much wrong to unpick with her article:

This amendment abolished women-only facilities in the city including toilets and changing rooms – and plunged the council into illegality. It meant that male-born transwomen could access female facilities.

Male-born transwomen (are there any other kind) have been accessing female facilities perfectly legally prior to the Equality Act. The EA just gave people with the protected characteristic of "gender reassignment" the right sue if they are denied access to female facilities (subject to narrow exceptions). The amendment goes slightly beyond the scope of the EA, but it does mean it has plunged the council into illegality. It just means they are being more inclusive than the EA required. I am still to see an actual legal argument that the council behaved illegally.

To be clear the facilities are and have been women-only - transwomen are women.

The council further breached the Act by failing to consult with women and by not conducting an Equality Impact Assessment to assess potential negative consequences on those affected by the change.

Other statements Ann has made suggest she thinks that Equality Impact Assessments were required due to the Public Sector Equality Duty. However, at the time of the amendment the Public Sector Equality Duty was not a legal requirement - the EA commenced in stages. Oops.

With luck Sarah Brown will stand for the resulting by election and win back the seat for the LibDems. It will be good to have someone on the council who actually understands equality law.

littlbrowndog · 08/08/2018 20:42

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SarahAr · 08/08/2018 20:43

But now, the present iteration of the Labour Party is busily re-writing history to claim that AWSs were never ever exclusively designed for women, so that the Leadership can justify instating natal-male transwomen into women’s places within a mechanism that was designed to circumvent sexism.

Different types of restricted short lists are allowed to address inequality. Even a shortlist that only allows people with the legal sex female can still include "natal-male transwomen" who have a GRC. And "natal-male transwomen" suffer from sexism just like non-trans women.

Finally I know of no openly trans MPs so trans people are hardly over represented in parliament.

IncrediblySturdyPyjamas · 08/08/2018 20:44

Women, you are all doing womaning wrong..thank goodness a transwoman has come and told you how to think. Just like a man would. So strange.

littlbrowndog · 08/08/2018 20:46

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happygolurkey · 08/08/2018 20:59

Have you seen Anne Ruzylo cutting up her card at a WPUK event? Absolutely powerful stuff, all those years of work trashed by this nonsense. Broke my heart to watch.

just watched. very emotional, but, good on her. Anne (right spelling this time) is also a hero

happygolurkey · 08/08/2018 21:00

silentcrow - sorry, putting on bold seems to be beyond me

Ereshkigal · 08/08/2018 21:00

Different types of restricted short lists are allowed to address inequality. Even a shortlist that only allows people with the legal sex female can still include "natal-male transwomen" who have a GRC. And "natal-male transwomen" suffer from sexism just like non-trans women.

We know that. That (though an issue based on a stupid shortsighted legal fiction) is not what is being argued here. As you are surely aware given that we discussed it a few nights back?

miri1985 · 08/08/2018 21:04

Did Jeremy Corbyn ever speak to actual women about these issues like he promised on Andrew Marr in January?

I know Linda Bellos put an open letter to him on her website in March and stated that she hadn't heard from him yet and theres nothing to indicate that he ever did speak to her about it. Does anyone know if he has yet?

Writersblock2 · 08/08/2018 21:04

Anne cutting up her card is very powerful viewing.

ChattyLion · 08/08/2018 21:08

I heart Anne R.

Turph · 08/08/2018 21:22

I quit the Labour Party but they won't let me leave. Still get emails despite replying and asking them to stop, and it's been a good few months now. It's ironic that I was ignored as a member and ignored when I try to leave.

littlbrowndog · 08/08/2018 21:46

So why did I get deleted ?