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James Kirkup article, "Why are some MPs trying to shut down the transgender debate?"

41 replies

R0wantrees · 01/05/2018 16:05

Concludes:
Surely a bright, thoughtful chap like him didn’t mean to imply that it was his job as Member of Parliament to tell newspapers what they can and cannot write? Surely he had no intention of acting as if it is in any way appropriate for a politician to decide what is and is not acceptable for journalists to say, and how they say it? And I can only hope that it was by a simple accident that he singled out by name a female journalist and suggested that her employers stop her saying the things that she thinks – because Doughty happens not to like her saying those things?

As I say, I must assume that he meant none of these things, that he had no such moronic and bullying intent when he spoke and acted as he did. I assume that Doughty is an honourable politician determined to do his job in a democracy and ensure that matters of public policy are debated fully and honestly, whether or not some people find such debate offensive. Because, as I am sure Doughty knows, there is no right not be offended and if we ever let hurt feelings stop us discussing matters of public interest on the basis of the facts, everyone loses.

And it is because I am sure that he is wholly committed to such debate that I decided to write this article. Thanks for everything you’re doing to encourage the free press and open debate, Mr Doughty.

blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/05/why-are-some-mps-trying-to-shut-down-the-transgender-debate/

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Wanderabout · 01/05/2018 22:29

To be fair, isn't he the only one who has invited this MP for coffee? So far anyway.

LizzieSiddal · 01/05/2018 23:08

An article containing factual information from the actual experts: the Drs.

We need much more of this.

OrchidInTheSun · 02/05/2018 04:37

That's a really great article.

AngryAttackKittens · 02/05/2018 05:07

He's a great writer, isn't he? And I agree with his final paragraph. Surely an MP doesn't think it's job to tell newspapers what they should and should not write, or to tell editors how to manage their female staff?

So, Doughty, if you're reading - do you? There are many people eagerly awaiting an answer.

MargeH · 02/05/2018 07:13

There are comments below the article, presumably only visible if you have a subscription. Surprisingly positive this time - Spectator comments are normally quite scathing about anything 'feminist.' James seems to be winning them round!

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 02/05/2018 07:24

James Kirkup is great. Good article, and he is so quick to acknowledge that he has an advantage in not getting the sort of abuse that women journalists get. We could do with more men like him.

Floisme · 02/05/2018 07:28

To be fair, isn't he the only one who has invited this MP for coffee?

You're right - I had it in my head that Doughty was the one who wanted to meet but now I've read it again, it's Kirkup who does the inviting and possibly out-manoevres Doughty in the process heh heh. Moan withdrawn.

2rebecca · 02/05/2018 11:02

I made 2 comments yesterday, still "pending".

Freespeecher · 02/05/2018 14:11

It's currently the most-read article on the Speccie website, as was its predecessor.

Floisme · 02/05/2018 20:10

So now Janice Turner has also invited Doughty to meet. Not sure if this Twitter link will work so just in case I will quote as well as I can:

twitter.com/VictoriaPeckham/status/991359987673915392
'Perhaps you would care to meet me too, Steven? Given how you smeared my character in public.'

No sign of a reply from him 10 hours later. Will I have to withdraw my withdrawal I wonder? Wink

boatyardblues · 02/05/2018 20:23

I am developing a major girl crush on Janice - she's fab. Not keen on her interloper, stealth shitting foxes though, however big that cub's eyes are.

Melamin · 02/05/2018 22:40

Kept seeing Doughty mentioned and have finally got round to reading this article. It is very good. Thanks James.

R0wantrees · 02/05/2018 22:55

the following thread is relevant as it discusses Trans Media Watch's written submission to the Home Affairs Committee on Hate Speech.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/a3238618-Trans-Media-Watch-has-written-to-parliament-saying-trans-identified-male-can-be-considered-as-hate-speech-and-that-Mumsnet-users-referring-to-penises-are-being-transphobic?msgid=77573783#77573783

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Wanderabout · 08/05/2018 20:08

Has anyone bought a Spectator subscription?

Melamin · 08/05/2018 20:12

I think they let you see a couple of articles a week, like The Times.

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