Sam Smith feels as much of a man as a woman because he likes wearing high heels and make-up

[Micaela64]

www.billboard.com/articles/columns/pop/8006976/sam-smith-just-as-much-woman-as-man-sunday-times

I try to keep an open mind, but sorry, how does he know what it feels like to be a woman if he's never been one? He says he feels as much as a woman as a man because he likes wearing heels, make-up and fur coats... Is that all he thinks being a woman comes down to? These people say they're breaking down boundaries but it seems to me they're just reinforcing old stereotypes. Gender fluid sorts can be the most sexist people in how they express their male or female identities.

Wearing heels and make-up doesn't make you somewhat a woman... You're a camp gay man, get over it.

[AnyFucker]

These pillocks think they invented this stuff

I really wish folks like Boy George would speak out but they would get crucified

[EmpressOfTheSpartacusOceans]

I really wish folks like Boy George would speak out but they would get crucified

I think he's pro-gender neutral toilets. But this is something.

[Slimthistime]

I had been wishing Eddie Izzard would speak up, can't believe where that's gone!

[AnyFucker]

I don't have an issue with male/female toilets, as it happens

[Slimthistime]

AnyFucker "I don't have an issue with male/female toilets, as it happens"

many of us want to keep male and female toilets separate. Is that what you mean?

I think if a cubicle is completely fully enclosed with the handbasin there, and a floor to ceiling door, then toilets of any kind are fine.

but most toilets aren't like that.

[AnyFucker]

No, I meant I don't have an issue with shared toilets. I understand why some folk do though.

[Slimthistime]

so AnyFucker, for example, my work toilets are set out so that there's cubicles and a row of sinks.

Doors with gaps.

If I complain to HR about that bathroom being in use for men and women - so men could walk in while I'm changing after a lunchtime run - you wouldn't support me in that?

Obviously a theoretical question as we don't work together. As far as we know...!!!

I know some women don't care about this at all but tbh that group that doesn't care is a problem for the group that do care.

[AnyFucker]

I thought we were talking about toilets, not changing rooms ?

[Slimthistime]

But AF, the reality is that women will adjust tights, bras, do a quick change for whatever reason in that style of bathroom. And should be able to.

but okay, if you want to stick with toilets where people just immediately wash hands at sink and leave - are you happy for men to be using those types of toilets as well, in a workplace? Where potentially, if some guy makes you feel very uncomfortable or actually has harrassed you, he can easily see you leave your desk and go to the loo to be even more of a pain?

No offence AnyFucker but I see you around a lot and I had thought that of all posters, you would be one who understands how much of a risk men in a women's public space can be.

I'm off out now, not ignoring anything you might say next. Just wanted to clarify because I've seen debates here where definitions of "toilet" are completely different. (that sounds funny)

[Slimthistime]

Actually, going to bars and restaurants, if the loos aren't separate then how do you stop the annoying guy ogling following you in to that loo - with the same set up, cubicles and a row of sinks?

how many times have we all said "I'm going to the bathroom" because the creep chatting you up won't react well to "fuck off"?

[AnyFucker]

I said I do understand how some women have an issue with unisex toilets, Slim but that I personally do not

Work locker/changing areas are a different matter to me

The unisex toilets I have used abroad and in city centres in the uk eg in pubs and clubs have had floor to ceiling doors and are simply a place to relieve yourself and get out

[Oblomov17]

What a twat. So he likes dressing up in drag? So what? Just get on with it and stop bleating about it.

[HouseholdWords]

I suppose I'll just have to be a man then,

It's a good way to an automatic 15% pay rise, though.

[DeleteOrDecay]

Fuck me, I must be a man too. I hate heels and rarely wear dresses or make up.

Must let my dp know that he has been going out with an undercover man for the last decade.

[NiceCardigan]

I wonder who is advising Sam Smith because quite a lot of what he says in the article is clearly nonsense. We were particularly entertained by the idea that he wore a fur coat and leggings to school every day - my DDs who were in the years above and below him confirm he wore school uniform like everyone else.

[AnyFucker]

Heh

[LassWiTheDelicateAir]

If I complain to HR about that bathroom being in use for men and women - so men could walk in while I'm changing after a lunchtime run - you wouldn't support me in that?

But AF, the reality is that women will adjust tights, bras, do a quick change for whatever reason in that style of bathroom. And should be able to

Do they ? I can't say I have seen this. I would be very embarrassed if a female colleague was adjusting her underwear in the sinks/ mirrors part of the ladies' loos and it would never occur to me to do so.

To be honest I really don't want to walk into the loo and see you or anyone else changing after their lunch time run.

[Knusper]

Oh dear, I'm a man too. Growing and expelling humans from your body counts for nothing if you wear flat shoes, trousers and go make up free.

I don't like the term cross dresser. People should dress however they like. High heels for men? Who cares. No crossing involved. Just a man in heels.

[AssassinatedBeauty]

@NiceCardigan was this when he was in 6th form, he said he was around 17 at the time?

[NiceCardigan]

Yes the uniform for the school sixth form was business wear so he would have had to wear a suit

[Ttbb]

That's just stupid on so many levels. Doing something femenine doesn't make you a woman. Likewise doing something masculine doesn't make you a man. I like to wear men's clothing, I let my legs and pits get hairy if it's not too hot (can't sleep in summer with hairy calves ), there acprobably other 'masculine' things I do that I am struggling to think of right now but long story short I am 100% a woman, I never feel like a man, I can't really imagine what it feels like to be a man and I have complete confidence in my femininity. It's like you have to have an excuse these days to do/like things that a typically associated with the opposite gender,

[DeleteOrDecay]

my DDs who were in the years above and below him confirm he wore school uniform like everyone else.

That’s so funny. Sam Smith has been rumbled

[ChattyLion]

What they shouldn't do is fall into the trap that the easiest thing is to say "I'm a woman because - insert whatever ridiculous femme performance".
Come on femme men fight for your right to be a man - no matter how soft/gentle, or badly you perform masculinity, you are men, just as any other man. To say you are women is cowardly and dishonest and trampling over the bodies of women who have campaigned so hard for equality.

^^^ really interesting points Mighty. I wonder why contemporary masculinity appears to be less accommodating of different types of men than (it seemed) perhaps it was for some possible for men to be in the 60s,70s,80s etc. (Disclaimer: I am not a man but that’s the impression I get)

[CaoNiMwahaha]

“All you biological females, who used to have the upper hand”

🤣 < hollow laughter

[LassWiTheDelicateAir]

I don't know who he is. I looked him up on YouTube and he has 161 million views. He is quite dull.

A sort of less interesting Perfume Genius (Mike Hadreas)