Sam Smith feels as much of a man as a woman because he likes wearing high heels and make-up

[Micaela64]

www.billboard.com/articles/columns/pop/8006976/sam-smith-just-as-much-woman-as-man-sunday-times

I try to keep an open mind, but sorry, how does he know what it feels like to be a woman if he's never been one? He says he feels as much as a woman as a man because he likes wearing heels, make-up and fur coats... Is that all he thinks being a woman comes down to? These people say they're breaking down boundaries but it seems to me they're just reinforcing old stereotypes. Gender fluid sorts can be the most sexist people in how they express their male or female identities.

Wearing heels and make-up doesn't make you somewhat a woman... You're a camp gay man, get over it.

[Datun]

The problem with that is it does nothing to fulfil the fetish.

Men without gender dysphoria who like wearing hypersexualised female clothes is a man with a fetish.

The whole point is pretending they are woman. There is no way in hell they would ever agree that they are men who like wearing feminine clothes. It completely demolishes the fetish.

[KarlosKKrinkelbeim]

So: wearing high heels and make up = woman.
Pregnancy, child bearing and breast feeding doesn’t tho. And to claim otherwise is transphobic.
Have I got that right? It’s so hard to work with this cretinous belief system. It has no internal logic.

[OlennasWimple]

I got v confused by your title, OP. Not helped by confusing Sam Smith with Sam Bailey (she of the perm jump suits)

[Bucketsandspoons]

Karlos I agree, only the stereotypically sexy and perceived fun/forbidden bits of 'woman' get appropriated. It's a fantasy role, not in any way a reality, (in fact we're not supposed to talk about any reality bits as its insensitive) and it is belittling, deeply misogynistic and insulting.

New Suffragette movement needed, to demand the right to a fair vote in the question of what woman is and what woman isn't. I have chains and padlocks if anyone wants to come chain themselves to Downing Street.

[MightyMikey]

Datun you're right, there is a difference between men who fetishise womanhood as an object, and gender non-conforming men.
I think Crossdressers and some TGs see female as a true fetish, an item that they associate with sex.
They are not Gender Non Conforming but rather Gender Reinforcing.
They wear items of clothing BECAUSE they are "Sexy Woman's" clothing and it turns them on.
Men fetishize all manner of strange things.

Men who wear and act like they want but are not stereotypical masculine are policed by these Crossdressers more harshly than anyone else. Being a femme male is not allowed as it invalidates these Crossdressers as the fetishists they are.

[Micaela64]

Whatever happened to the terms "cross dresser", "transvestite" and "drag queen"? Surely these are more appropriate?

Not trendy enough I suppose. A lot of Trans activists who have such influence on millennials like Smith seem to dislike drag queens and find them offensive. I've actually seen instances online of them re-writing the Stonewall riot DRAG QUEENS as Transgender. Usually done to shame gay men who have issues with modern trans activism and dislike being linked to them via terms like LGBT and "Queer." It's along the lines of "Transgender people fought for your rights in Stonewall now you should return the favour!"

[BriechonCheese]

Karlos Well quite.
Apparently the only thing that makes me a woman is my penchant for eyeliner and dresses, certainly not my secondary and primary sex characteristics, gestation accommodating pelvis etc.

It must really fuck with their minds when I wear DMs with floral tea dresses and biker jackets.

[DamsonGin]

I'm rather worried now about my plans to dress as a cat for Halloween.

[picklemepopcorn]

I’d better stop wearing trousers and flat shoes, or DH might get confused and assume he's gay.

[KanyeWesticle]

Woman is not a feeling.

Drag is a caricature/appropriation.

Sam Smith is a male who likes heels and make up.

[Bucketsandspoons]

Phrases like transvestite and cross dresser carry a lot of negative connotations. (Thinking longingly of Izzard in his days of sanity where he was all bloke in a dress, get over it.) Trans is all about the positives and gets a huge amount of public support, particularly since the strong image for most is vulnerable teenagers with gender dysphoria.

But a) apparently believing that gender dysphoria is a necessary part of being trans is 'truscum' beliefs and treated almost as badly as 'terfs' and b) there was a quote on a thread the other day by a trans person which paraphrased was something like: which is more womanly to you? A beautiful, graceful (positive adjectives heavily laid on) transwoman with high heels and make up, or a short haired, hairy legged cis person in jeans?

The answer from the poster was a blunt: the one with the female biology.

But you can see where this is going. 'We do woman better than you so you can't have it any more'. Umpteenth Verse of Patriarchy, Same as the First.

[Bucketsandspoons]

Oh and wasn't it Ru Paul who recently came out with a lovely song about 'gotta step your pussy up' (ffs) about how biological women ought to up their (stereotypical 1950s image) game to compete with obviously superior transwomen.

[RochelleGoyle]

Completely agree with you OP. I find it really insulting that these men reduce the notion of 'woman' to little more than cosmetics and fashion. It's utter crap.

[KarlosKKrinkelbeim]

Perhaps it is a by product of society’s obsession with looks. We are so superficial that a person who embodies the stereotype is considered more female than the person with female chromosomes.
It’s all me arse anyway

[Bucketsandspoons]

Ah here we go, Ru Paul.....

Alright now!
All you biological females, who used to have the upper hand
It ain't like that no more honey it's a got real tough up in here.
You got your Trisexual
You got your Bisexual
You got your Inner Sexual
Girl you have to step your Pussy up!

If you're trying to be somebody,
Girl you better step it up!
If you're trying to be somebody,
Girl you better step it up!
If you're trying to be somebody,
Girl you better step it up!
If you're trying to be somebody,
Girl you better step it up, girl step it up!


This is actually supposed to be not only acceptable but positive.....

[HouseholdWords]

I'm wearing tweedy trousers and brogues today, a vest, shirt and jumper (no bra today).

No makeup or nail polish.

Does this mean I "feel like a man" today?

Utter tosh.

[whoputthecatout]

No sweety you're not "just as much a woman". What you are is a man born three and half centuries too late. Height of 17th century male fashion: brocade waisted coat with gold trimmings, silk stockings, high heeled shoes (preferably with buckles), lace cuffs, powdered wig and make up/or lovelock and ribbons in your hair.

Must have been an awful lot of men who felt "just as much a woman" then, even though they were pretty nifty with swords, muskets and general rape and pillage.

What a total knob.

[whoputthecatout]

should have read "just as much a man as a woman". Rest stands.

He needs time travel to the 1650s.

[KarlosKKrinkelbeim]

Or even the 1980s as someone else pointed out.
You never got this sort of fuckwittage from Prince, god rest him

[SemperTemper]

Almost every time Sam Smith opens his mouth he says something incredibly stupid.

[ILoveDolly]

We used to just call that Glam

[AnyFucker]

I hadn't realised Sam Smith was thick nor that he didn't much like women

Every day is a school day

[PricklyBall]

Adds Ru Paul to the list of people I previously found entertaining but now realise are utter and complete shits.

[Slimthistime]

that RuPaul song is just.....OMD.

I suppose I'll just have to be a man then, what with this kind of attitude going on. Then again, I'm childfree so even disregarding my lack of interest in high heels, those guys probably think I'm a complete psychological horror show anyway.

[EmpressOfTheSpartacusOceans]

Sam Smith is clearly just as much of an idiot as Eddie Izzard.

I was a teenager in the days of Boy George, Marilyn, Limahl etc when it was totally normal for blokes to wear makeup and STILL BE BLOKES. That was gender nonconformity. This is just stupid.