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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Further materials towards a theory of the man child

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curryeater · 10/07/2013 11:58

thenewinquiry.com/essays/further-materials-toward-a-theory-of-the-man-child/

Just wanted to put this here, nice piece

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FreyaSnow · 13/07/2013 20:55

As for people accepting they're going to have to give things up, it happens anyway, whether you want to give them up or not. The generation I am in do not have the standard of living that people of my parents' generation had. My children don't have the childhood I had. They'll facing challenges in adult life that I haven't had. It has happened whether we like it or not. It has happened more severely in other countries. The population of Greece have not exactly had a choice in losing things like some basic health care. It just went, and very rapidly. Some of the care of the vulnerable and disabled has just gone in this country in the last ten years, and the general population has pretty much accepted it. We haven't all taken to the streets, either out of moral indignation about what has been done to others or fear of what happens to us if we become disabled. We've pretty much let it happen.

Our liberal democracies are generally only peaceable and provide basic human rights if you are a citizen of them. They are not peaceable to the countries they strip resources from. Many of the products we consume are based on the suffering, slavery, exploitation and war in other countries. How peaceable would we be if we had to consume only that which we had produced or fairly gained from other countries?

MiniTheMinx · 14/07/2013 15:41

Can I ask what you have been reading LeBFG to get a very different perspective I would recommend Michael Parenti Against Empire and America Besieged.

I agree with Freya, the only reason we appear to live in a peaceful society ( i can't quite bring myself to say democracies in regards to the Liberal west) is because we are exploiting and war mongering across other societies.

I have just read some more of the Materials, anyone else read IV "the young girl as commodity" I'm not certain but I get the impression that the figure of the young girl has been used as an analogy for the commodity "money" What do others think?

LeBFG · 14/07/2013 20:02

It's the democratic peace theory Minx. I guess the 'peace' comes from the controlled nature of the exploitation. Better than all out war I suppose, at least when that is the alternative.

LeBFG · 14/07/2013 20:03

Thanks for the book recommendations!

MiniTheMinx · 14/07/2013 21:04

Thank you LeBFG I have just done a quick google. I will do some reading. But my first thoughts are:

*Democratic leaders are forced to accept culpability for war losses to a voting public;

Has Tony been tried as a war criminal yet.

*Publicly accountable statesmen are more inclined to establish diplomatic institutions for resolving international tensions;

Well I guess the WTO, The FED, IMF, world bank are orgainisations, but all of these institutions further capitalist hegemony, set up trade barriers and indebt third world nations. They offer loans and aid but only on the basis that countries neo-liberalise their economies, ie allow corporations, overwhelmingly American to exploit for profit, make all public services private etc,

*Democracies are less inclined to view countries with adjacent policy and governing doctrine as hostile;

This is true but I don't think this is to do with politics as much as it is to do with economics. During the cold war Maggie wasn't protecting us from the soviet menace, she was trying to further and protect the interest of capital.

*Democracies tend to possess greater public wealth than other states, and therefore eschew war to preserve infrastructure and resources;

Yes.....but if you look at history you see that those countries in the West developed first, they became capitalist countries, they created empires to exploit the natural wealth of other countries. Although we don't have colonies we are still acting on behalf of capital to exploit and demand access to resources. We are wealthy because they are not, our wealth being built on this inequality.

Chile was a democracy with a democratically elected leader but he was a socialist, so the Americans stirred up a coup and supported a dictator who went on to kill millions of his own people in order to neo-liberalise the Chilean economy. We all know what a nasty man Pinochet was but Maggie had her reasons for liking him!

Cuba is interesting, America has tried everything and still they hold out. They have one of the best health care systems in the world, an excellent education system and a longer life expectancy than us, they are also contrary to popular belief a democracy.

Iraq is interesting, we sponsored Saddam, we gave aid to his dictatorship when he was gassing Kurds but when it became clear he wouldn't privatise the oil and let in uncle sam, we waged an economic war. It could be argued that we killed more Iraqis before the war than during the war because of the sanctions.

Similar situation in Korea, we use carrot and stick and they won't budge. Capitalism needs to expand, it needs to seek new areas of investment and exploitation. It will not tolerate socialist countries or even countries that won't privatise every last thing. Its what people on the left refer to as imperialism.

The theory of Peaceful democracy I would think is right wing subterfuge, its ideology that those who benefit from the system want you to believe and endorse. I will do some more reading but I am a bit cynical moi Smile

LeBFG · 15/07/2013 07:32

Ha, ha very interesting Minx! I actually have been reading Steven Pinker's book on violence. So his thesis is that these things (capitalism, democracy, wealth and peace) go hand-in-hand (well, actually he argues democracy and trade and then wealth before peace - but I haven't finished the book yet!). The cases you give are interesting but America isn't the only liberal democracy we have so do you think you're extrapolating a bit? It is true that liberal democracies are more transparant than alternative regimes - they have to be to engender trust in other trade partners (other countries who are like them i.e. liberal democracies). Pinker also argues that lib. dem. do go to war but with much less frequency and lasts shorter periods etc. As you say, I'm not sure how this extends to economic sanctions. Happy reading (I will do so as soon as I replace the Kindle I broke, grr).

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