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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Page three

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clemetteattlee · 12/10/2012 22:05

So, I have signed the petition to lobby the Sun into finally getting rid of page 3 girls and posted a link to the petition on my Facebook page. Given that I post links to various different political and women's rights sites you'd think they wouldn't be surprised, but I have had someone accuse me of "being like the Taliban!"
For me this is a no-brainer and should be a small and obvious skirmish in the wider campaign for equality and respect yet I am amazed at how many people are keen to defend page three in the name of "freedom of speech."
Does anyone have any thoughts?

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PlentyOfPubeGardens · 18/10/2012 08:11

I'm happy to see the above statement hasn't only peed me off. Sounds so bloody patronising. Next we'll be told to keep our clothes on, stop get men excited, or god forbid coming to climax, save outside of a loving, mutally fulfilling relationship.

Do what you like - I'm not telling you to do anything and nobody on this thread is talking about banning page 3. If we can't discuss the wider context and implications of the choices we make then there's a whole raft of topics that we can't talk about at all because some woman somewhere will have 'chosen' to do it.

I make all sorts of choices which I consider to be 'unfeminist' - I'm sure most of us do - because we're all just muddling through in a system that was not set up with our best interests at heart. I'm interested in the politics around those choices - to what extent they are truly 'free', why we make the choices we do, what the impact of those choices is for us, for other women, for the whole of society.

The following is part of a post I wrote on another thread about the feminist theory section. I think it's relevant here:

While I would have preferred it if FWR had been left as it was, my reasoning for suggesting the theory section was that we could have a space to discuss issues from a feminist perspective without people taking things so personally - e.g. we could discuss the politics of hair removal without the inevitable derail to deal with all the - 'I shave and I'm a woman and it's my choice so how dare you criticise' - type posts (when in fact, probably quite a few of us both shave and want to examine the politics of doing so).

The specific problem I have with p3 is to do with public space. We can't all just do whatever we want in public space because we all have to share it and so our actions affect other people, yet somehow it's acceptable to have sexualised pictures of bare breasted women in a daily paper that is read on public transport, in pubs, cafes and workplaces, even though it makes a lot of women feel uncomfortable and intimidated. To say that only p3 models should get any say in the matter is ridiculous.

UnimaginitiveDadThemedUsername · 18/10/2012 13:54

Naked breasts don't belong in a newspaper. And as for this which I saw earlier:

The response from my female Tory MP when asked she would sign it: "it can do you and your daughter no harm if you don't buy the paper..."

I am aghast.

Malificence · 18/10/2012 14:08

"Japan has lower levels of violence against women, then surely we need to examine how they got there? And if porn isn't a problem for them, why isn't it? "
Japan has a massive problem with filmed child rape and abuse ( I hate the term "child porn" ) it is not illegal in Japan , there are billboards featuring "anime" child rape in the tech district of Tokyo.
Japan is one of the most prolific producers of extreme porn and they have totally fucked up attitudes to women and sex.

Frans1980 · 18/10/2012 19:54

Child porn is illegal in Japan if it involves real people, not cartoons or anime.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_pornography_laws_in_Japan

And you're right they do produce a lot of extreme porn, so why isn't their rape and domestic violence statistics through the roof?

If they are producing such porn but have low crime in general why is it a "problem"?

PlentyOfPubeGardens · 18/10/2012 20:32

So as long as women aren't actually being raped or hit they have nothing to complain about?

Child porn is illegal in Japan if it involves real people, not cartoons or anime.

Oh that's all right then Hmm

Like I said, I don't think I'd like us to emulate Japanese society.

Frans1980 · 18/10/2012 20:34

So which would you prefer? A prudish society with a lot of crime? Or an open society with low crime?

AbigailAdams · 18/10/2012 20:35

It's not an either/or situation

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