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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Book that tells you where is it legal to have sex with children

111 replies

EatsBrainsAndLeaves · 02/08/2012 23:48

www.amazon.co.uk/Age-Consent-Tourists-Guide-ebook/dp/B005S18YGS/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1343945440&sr=8-7

Hi Amazon are selling a book that tells you what counties you can visit and legally have sex with children. I am totally disgusted at this.

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LastMangoInParis · 04/08/2012 22:44

Perhaps you should contact Amazon and tell them that, SGB?

solidgoldbrass · 04/08/2012 22:44

LM: Now that sort always shoot themselves in the foot by suddenly coming over all pro-censorship when feminists people stroppy cows like me utilise free speech to take the piss out of them.

SmellsLikeTeenStrop · 04/08/2012 22:46

This isn't about censorship. The guy still has the right to publish his horrible little book but retailers like amazon are under no obligation to let him use their website as a venue to sell it.

LastMangoInParis · 04/08/2012 22:46

Eh? You've lost me there, solid. Confused

LastMangoInParis · 04/08/2012 22:48

I think that under UK law it would be questionable whether he does have a right to publish his book, Smells. I think this might be the reason Amazon have pulled it, not just the goodness of their hearts, altruism and their sense of human dignity.

NarkedRaspberry · 04/08/2012 22:48

It would be very interesting to have a list of the people who bought that book.

Anyone from Anonymous need a project?

SchrodingersMew · 04/08/2012 23:00

Bit of irony there suggesting Anonymous would want to advocate censorship and take away someone's anonymity... :o

LastMangoInParis · 04/08/2012 23:07

Any bids on the relationship between 'protecting privacy' and 'censorship', then?

bluebus · 04/08/2012 23:08

If the child the paedophile has raped is not below the age of consent (e.g. because there isn't a minimum age of consent), then a rape charge won't be automatic - i.e. it would have to be proved that the child had not consented, not just that intercourse had taken place for charges of rape to be brought successfully. Of course, a rape charge should/would be possible, but it wouldn't be automatic. Thereby making life easier for paedophile rapists.

Actually under the Sexual Offences Act 2003 it is illegal for a British national to travel abroad to carry out an act that would be an offence here, so s/he could still be prosecuted. CEOP actively pursue travelling sex offenders abroad and no doubt will be very interested to hear about this book.

Also to address an earlier point, the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child regards a human being as a child up until its 18 birthday.

NarkedRaspberry · 04/08/2012 23:09

Anonymous have targeted online paedophiles

SchrodingersMew · 04/08/2012 23:11

Bluebus Okay, I completely stand corrected. I just didn't feel it was appropriate(?) to label everyone using this book as a rapist if that wasn't going to be the case.

Narked It was more of a jokey post because of their name. :) But yet again, I didn't know that. :)

LastMangoInParis · 04/08/2012 23:11

Good point, bluebus - I wonder if the 'author' was thoughtful enough to include that point in the information in his 'book'. (Even if he did, I guess it wouldn't pose a problem to non-British 'consumers', though, would it?)

Himalaya · 04/08/2012 23:26

Given that it is information that is already freely available on the Internet, I wonder if having it as a downloadable e book on Amazon was a police sting operation...

On principle I agree with SGB re - censorship.

WidowWadman · 04/08/2012 23:51

Just because it was available on amazon for a short while doesn't mean that there's actually anyone who's bought it. There are heaps of dead data lumps available on the kindle store, which are never sold at all.

There's no real cost involved in making an e-book, there's no physical items which come with the whole problem of making, storing, shipping them, that's why there's so many ebooks are being published. There's no huge outlay so if you publish without selling anything you don't make a crippling loss

Other than that I agree with sgb

Zaraa · 06/08/2012 20:50

I agree with solidgoldbrass. Accusing the book of "promoting the rape of children" sounds a bit libellious when it is simply a book of facts.

Amazon removed the page so are you happy? Or should we go and look for more books we don't like and ask Amazon to remove those pages as well?

I dare say if a predator did want to commit an act of violence against a child he wouldn't go to the trouble of buying a book and travelling to another country anyway. Pedophiles generally don't seem to care too much about laws (if they did we wouldn't keep hearing about them on the news).

SardineQueen · 06/08/2012 21:05

Paedophiles travel abroad all the time to rape children - they can do it for a small amount of ££ in some countries while procuring a child in the UK is much more dangerous.

This is common knowledge surely.

StewieGriffinsMom · 06/08/2012 21:41

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Zaraa · 06/08/2012 21:51

So it's now Amazon's fault that pedophiles rape children?

Talk about making a mountain out of a molehill.

Zaraa · 06/08/2012 21:53

Censorship is not going to help anyone. Instead of sweeping what we don't like under the carpet countries who have low ages of consent for sex should actually be exposed.

Trills · 06/08/2012 22:01

I agree with SGB. Censorship is not a good thing for feminism or women's rights (which is the section we are in).

StewieGriffinsMom · 06/08/2012 22:13

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Zaraa · 06/08/2012 22:25

I had a quick look on the ages on Wikipedia. Interesting how in Iran, Kuwait and Pakistan all sex outside of marriage is illegal regardless of age or consent.

LastMangoInParis · 07/08/2012 00:16

Curious that some posters are arguing that 'we' (Anglophone Westerners?) should be campaigning against other countries' laws (or absence of them) to try and protect children in those countries against wealthy Anglophone Western men from going to those countries, taking advantage of their poverty and raping their children.
So Anglophone Westerners can congratulate themselves for their liberal values (and free speech) while shrieking at other countries to get themselves together to legislate against opportunistic crimes commited by rich Westerners? Confused

solidgoldbrass · 07/08/2012 01:40

LastMango: Are you arguing that in those countries with low (or no) ages of consent, rape of children is only carried out by rich Westerners? Or just that Anglophone Westerners should refrain from interfering in other countries' laws even when those laws are barbaric, just because it's wrong to interfere with other countries' customs?

SardineQueen · 07/08/2012 08:53

I don't think that increasing ages of consent is a liberal value is it?

It's a lot of things but that's not the first that springs to mind.

Also agree with SGB that many men who are not "paedophiles" are more than happy to travel to a country where they can easily procure eg a 10yo girl or boy.

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