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Torygraph blog on the wrongs of women's judo

125 replies

AnnieLobeseder · 02/08/2012 20:30

Here

Everydaysexism has a bit of a Twitter campaign going to get an apology from the Torygraph.

Do you ever have a day when the sexism is just everywhere, you know, even more so than usual? Hmm Today has been one of those days, I've been arguing with misogynistic knobends on the internet all day, and I just want to crawl into bed and weep at the attitudes people still hold. How will we ever get any respect as human beings? I just can't see it. Sad

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LavenderCakes · 03/08/2012 14:55

Yes, laura, I love your site and please do let us know how non-twitterers can help.
Personally I've been impressed so far rather than otherwise that for once women on TV seem to be getting a lot of coverage, celebration and support for more than just being hot, but obvs there is still some way to go.
Can't believe this article - do you think the T are trying to go down the DM route of trying to start a fire, and he is the equivalent of that Samatha Brick woman?

MarysBeard · 03/08/2012 15:26

Loads of young girls do judo around the country as well, and have for years (well, several girls in my class did it at school which was 30 years ago) so it's not new for women to compete in such sports. GB won a silver in women's judo in 2000. Obviously it is a new concept to Andrew M Brown though...he needs to get out more.

I hope he is watching the big lasses today, that will REALLY put the wind up him.

SamosaYouWinSamosaYouLose · 03/08/2012 15:29

woo-hoo - another judo medal!

WELL DONE KARINA BRYANT!

GiuliaRossi · 03/08/2012 16:05

I liked this comment on the Torygraph:

Dear moderator. I believe a malicious comment has slipped your notice at the top of the page masquerading as an article.

FrothyOM · 03/08/2012 16:10

Yes, it really does sound "appallingly sexist".

I liked that comment too, and the one that said "mens ballet must scare the hell out of you"

Munashe · 03/08/2012 16:28

Karina and Gemma have done us proud. Forget about this misogynistic Andrew. I love Judo and these women wouldn't have done it at a better time. British Judo has had many challenges in the last year so this is really uplifting and something we needed.

Andrew should keep his worthless opinion and prejudice to himself, these women are athletes. Where can I complain about the article?

nocluenoclueatall · 03/08/2012 16:33

www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/olympics/

I don't know how to freeze a web page but looks like Torygraph are eating their words right now... front page of the sports section and all the headlines are ALL female medal winners.

Feeling very proud of the ladies of Team GB right now and there's no way they need to justify their amazing talents to anyone - least of all clueless eedgits from the last century.

gemmapops · 03/08/2012 16:36

I think this is a small minded person with insecurities about his position as a man and I suspect his has issues with strong women. Maybe he had an overpowering mother and his boss is a woman.

I would like to see how his hard manly limbs stand up to Gemma and Karina's soft lady limbs

LesleyPumpshaft · 03/08/2012 17:01

Me and DS aged 13 are training partners in Ninjutsu and Jujutsu. He is taller than I am and we regularly throw each other about, apply joint locks and hit each other with big sticks. Not bad for a middle aged lady, eh? Grin

I also used to do Judo and Thai boxing when I was younger.

I think some men are threatened by women with physical prowess. Sorry, but women are only allowed to exercise or play a sport if it contributes to making them more acceptable male-gaze fodder. Judo Gi's aren't skimpy enough either!

I hope my son turns out to be more open minded.

VegansTasteBetter · 03/08/2012 17:16

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I don't like any kind of "sport" where two people of any gender beat the shit out of each other. I won't watch cage fighing, boxing, kick boxing. But Judo? He picks the fucking "gentle art" to have a go about 'soft limbs' [green].

AnnieLobeseder · 03/08/2012 18:22

And while we're discussing sexism in the Olympics, here's a poignant but funny look at the absurdity of beach volleyball photography.

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GiuliaRossi · 03/08/2012 20:48

@gemmapops four hours ago: "hard manly limbs" - very good and very apt!

btw I have just joined, hello all, and I suppose I am the millionth person to misunderstand "I'm on" at the top of the page.

edam · 03/08/2012 20:52

apparently the writer of this tosh is a very nervous, shy and retiring chap. From the sounds of it he'd find synchronized embroidery a bit scary, let alone judo...

LRDtheFeministDragon · 03/08/2012 20:54
Grin

That is a great image, edam.

LRDtheFeministDragon · 03/08/2012 20:54

(And hello giulia! Smile)

GiuliaRossi · 03/08/2012 20:57

Hi Dragon, thanks for the welcome!

GhostShip · 03/08/2012 21:03

I'd did judo from the age of 6. Then kick boxing, boxing and bishido. Such a sexist comment!

epeesarepointythings · 03/08/2012 21:10

I used to fence competitively (epee, with the odd bit of sabre thrown in)

For a period of about 15 years, my soft limbs were always covered in bruises. Wonder how Mr Brown would feel about that, or is 'the noble art of the sword' genteel enough for him?

He can come and trade 15 hits with me any day and find out otherwise. Prat.

epeesarepointythings · 03/08/2012 21:11

Maybe he has a severe care of sportivitus micropenis?

edam · 03/08/2012 22:11
Grin

hello Giulia btw and welcome to MN - sorry didn't spot you were new when I posted after you.

SmellsLikeTeenStrop · 03/08/2012 22:16

How does he feel about women getting killed in Afghanistan?

I think that's ok as long as they're dying gently and passively, not fighting back and getting bruises on their soft limbs.

Plomino · 03/08/2012 22:41

I wonder how he feels about female police officers rolling about on the streets then ? So far I've broken the same hand three times in pre emptive strikes . Would he rather I just dealt with women and children ? Cock .

tribpot · 03/08/2012 22:42

Surely you can just reason with them, Plomino?

roadkillbunny · 03/08/2012 22:45

I am committing the sin of not reading the whole thread before posting and for that I apologise but just had the overwhelming need to post.

That article made me sick, angry and slack jawed. My husband had a similar reaction when I read it out to him.

A sexist prick commentating on a sport he clearly knows nothing about, I am not sure he actually understands to concept of sport to be honest.

I don't know much about judo but I am learning, my husband is a lover of martial arts and has trained in a handful of them and was delighted, as I was, when our dd wanted to start judo.
She started training a year ago aged 6, the youngest age that judo training can begin. Our dd has had quite a few medical and development problems to overcome in her short life and this has left her a very shy child, she found it hard to speak to people she didn't know well as she had spent he life struggling to be understood due to speech problems routed in congenital birth 'defects' within her mouth. After undergoing surgery the clarity of her speech improved but her confidence was a harder issue to address.

In her year so far of judo training she has learnt a great deal and her confidence has soared, she is a tiny slip of a girl, small for her age and by far the smallest child in her judo club but smile on her face and the bounce in her step when she comes home and tells me she managed a throw a child twice her size or hold a pin. These moves aren't about violence or strength, they are about technical skills, tenacity and self belief.

My dd did her first judo summer training camp at the start of the holidays, she loved every moment of it even though she only knew a couple of the older children there, she bounced home on her first day with 'I have a new friend!' and that, if I had ever doubted it, was enough for me to know judo is a massive positive in dd's life.
At the end of camp she came home with a medal for her teams tug of war victory and her first ever trophy, awarded for her grit, determination and willingness to give her all.

The very idea that girls and woman shouldn't be in the world of judo is simply ludicrous and I do hope that when I read through I find that nobody here agrees with this idiots view. I know my dd has, and will continue to benefit in all aspects of life due to her involvement with the sport.

LRDtheFeministDragon · 03/08/2012 22:47

Well said roadkill!

And best of luck to your DD, what a great example.

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