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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Lush Cosmetic's latest campaign

45 replies

PiousPrat · 27/04/2012 14:59

Trigger warning on all links.

www.lush.co.uk/ First video on the left hand side. The company promotional video.

www.thefword.org.uk/blog/2012/04/not_so_lush The Fwords take on it, infusing link to their twitter feed.

www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/apr/27/lush-animal-cruelty-performance-art?fb_action_ids=10150779741539630&fb_action_types=theguardian%3Aagree&fb_source=other_multiline The Guardian opinion piece, including parts of a statement released byLush in response to complaints.

Briefly, Lush had a performance artist dressed in a flesh coloured body suit led on a leash to the window of a store on a prominent London shopping street. Once there she was subjected to 10 hours of testing to simulate animal testing, including having her mouth held open and being force fed, by a male 'tester'. No warning of the content was given in the surrounding areas to enable people to avoid it. Emails including links and photos of this campaign were sent to the entire Lush mailing list, again no warnings as the point was to 'shock'.

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BasilFoulEggs · 27/04/2012 22:02

tbh I also thought animal testing for cosmetics had more our less died out, to the extent that not testing on animals is no longer the usp that it used to be for the body shop all those years ago

cd never stand lush anyway, another reason not to buy there.

MrsMcNulty · 27/04/2012 22:13

I saw this in the media and felt sick and very very angry. Do you think, just for a change, they could not have used a young/thin/conventionally attractive woman who appears at a glance naked, to brutalise and abuse? I will not be buying from Lush again, ever. Men taking photos of her in that shop window made me feel sick - doubt very much they were thinking of the poor ickle bunnies really...

Bibulus · 28/04/2012 07:20

The woman wasn't a model, she is a performance artist and volunteered for this. Attractiveness or otherwise didn't have anything to do with it?? how many people do you think would put themselves up for something as horrific as that? she was not just some 'young thin' model but an intelligent woman and very brave to do it

Bibulus · 28/04/2012 07:22

think a few posts on this thread have really come into danger of objectifying that woman - ironic eh!

BasilFoulEggs · 28/04/2012 08:11

you know, the argument that because somebody volunteers to do something, that makes that something automatically okay, is really not a very robust one. People volunteer to do all sorts of shit things. The fact of them volunteering, doesn't stop a shit bing from being shit.

BasilFoulEggs · 28/04/2012 08:13

shit thing, even

skrumle · 28/04/2012 08:20

"The woman wasn't a model, she is a performance artist and volunteered for this. Attractiveness or otherwise didn't have anything to do with it?? how many people do you think would put themselves up for something as horrific as that? she was not just some 'young thin' model but an intelligent woman and very brave to do it"

really? you think they couldn't have found an overweight 55yo to do it? they just happened to end up with woman they did?

i don't like the campaign and i think it smacks of "no such thing as bad publicity" for Lush as a business. i've never shopped in their stores because i can't cope with the smell, but I have ordered online from them - never again...

StewieGriffinsMom · 28/04/2012 09:18

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mellowcat · 28/04/2012 09:26

I think the best response is to ignore, ignore, ignore and hope they go away. I liked Lush and frequently shopped there, but this is a step to far and I will no longer buy their products.

Two wrongs don't make a right.

StewieGriffinsMom · 28/04/2012 09:57

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KRITIQ · 28/04/2012 09:58

Big mistake for Lush, for all the reasons cited here. I don't think it will change any minds on animal testing but will alienate big sections of their quite niche market of young women.

There are alternative suppliers of cruelty free products like Co-op, M and S, Superdrug for starters. The BUAV website has a list. Remember to write to Lush and explain why you'll no longer shop there.

southeastastra · 28/04/2012 10:51

would you lot have complained as much if a man had been the performance artist?

MrsMcNulty · 28/04/2012 11:35

That's not the point, it is always (see Peta's equally vomit inducing "campaigns") a woman

mellowcat · 28/04/2012 11:45

I don't think I have complained as such, and know very little about the issues raised on this board. I just happened to click on the link and found the few seconds that I watched to be deeply disturbing.

I have never boycotted anything in my life but cannot imagine wanting to buy anything from a company that thinks this kind of advertising is acceptable, and I do believe it is advertising because at the end of the day Lush wants to sell products and seems happy to jump on any bandwaggon to get their name out there.

In answer to your question, I would have found it equally disgusting, though perhaps not as upsetting, if the victim had been a man - not exactly likely though is it? Just as it is unlikely that the perpetrator would be acted by a woman. Who said scientists and perpetrators can only be men anyway?

Bibulus · 28/04/2012 11:59

StewieGriffinsMom - me too, me too....

KRITIQ · 28/04/2012 12:31

Southeastastra, the point of the complaint is that Lush deliberately chose to use a young female performance actor because their aim was to draw parallels with abuse and exploitation of women. Firstly, they knew it would only gain sufficient attention with a female subject. And, their press statements clearly state that they wanted to convey that society "permits" abuse and exploitation of animals in a way that we wouldn't accept if it happened to a woman.

But, we ALL know that our society is quite happy to accept the widespread abuse and exploitation of women and girls. Just look at all the lionising of convicted rapist Ched Evans for starters.

It would have been equally unacceptable if the performance actor had been a person of colour of either sex, or a disabled person of either sex. It is true that both experience institutional abuse and exploitation, but pretending that society "cares" about their welfare and likewise should care about the welfare of animals is at best extreme naivity and at worst, patronising and insulting.

One can support animal rights, women's rights, racial equality, etc. at the same time. Imho, it's a dangerous mistake to start putting oppression into league tables of any kind, then arguing that things are so much worse for group x because they are just that little bit better for group y. That's what Lush have done. Bad, bad move.

Backinthebox · 28/04/2012 12:43

Lush are full of dodgy motives, have been for years. It does not surprise me that they have chosen to compare animal testing with female oppression when in the past they have given money to groups that actively encourage and partake in dangerous and illegal guerilla action. (I am talking about Plane Stupid, Hunt Saboteurs Association, Sea Shepherd, among others.) Regardless of whether you agree with the things Lush oppose, the way they follow their beliefs is wrong.

mellowcat · 28/04/2012 12:48

It is also a spectacular own goal, in my mind I don't immediately think of Lush as being against animal testing, I will forever associate them with the abuse of people.

KRITIQ · 28/04/2012 12:53

Well yes, and they are forgetting that their customer base is young women, probably a quarter of whom will have experienced sexual abuse or relationship abuse, possibly not unlike what they were re-enacting in their shop window.

Personally speaking, I oppose fox hunting, hare coursing, etc., but I am also aware that many of the men within the hunt sab movement are just as misogynist as those in any other left, right or centre political movement. One can be a misogynist at any point on the political spectrum.

LRDtheFeministDragon · 28/04/2012 13:07

What backinthebox said.

On a personal level, their products stink and make me feel thoroughly uncomfortable walking past, and set of allergies in quite a lot of people.

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