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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Casual sex is no more 'bad for women' than sex-with-commitment.

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solidgoldbrass · 12/04/2012 14:15

Actually, casual sex in many ways is better for women than committed sex. Just like a lot of other stuff surrounding sex and relationships, the recieved wisdom is not necessarily true and might actually be another tool of the patriarchy.
Because women who are encouraged to 'save' sex for relationships are women who are going to have to wash the bloke's shitty pants and cook his dinner and stroke his ego as well as having sex with him. And prioritising The Relationship often means having sex you don't really want, with a bloke who isn't very good at it, because you 'love' him and therefore it's all about keeping him happy.
Whereas if you have sex with a bloke you just met, or only see from time to time, you don't have to do his housework or listen to long rambles about how his day at work went, and if he isn't any fun you can just bin him and move on.

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blackcurrants · 16/04/2012 12:15

I think that's a good question, Frida, and I think part of it is that people aren't honest with secondary school students about peer pressure. We got a lot of pressure from school, sex ed, PSHE etc to "wait till it feels right" and "don't be rushed", and even "Wait until Uni/you're older" - which makes sense apart from the fact that everyone in my school was at it from year 10,ish, (some outliers at year 9 and not until after school, but I think it averaged around years 10 or 11) and of course they were too young but at the same time they weren't really.

I suppose what I'm saying is that now I am a wizened in-my-30s-crone I've realised that the clumsy, awkward, thrilling/hurtful/boring sex I was having at any given point in my life was just... the right response to whatever situation I was in. I've had awesome sex in and out of relationships and pretty blah sex in and out of relationships too. I'd like to tell young people that 'being in a relationship' is no guarantee that your sexual partner won't be a totally horrible selfish nob, but knowing someone reasonably well is quite a good indicator in helping you work out whether or not you should have sex with them. Of course you can know someone well and still have sex with them on a casual basis - indeed, some of the best sex I've ever had has been 'casual but meaningful' - and it took me a good while to get rid of the virgin/whore dichotomy I was raised with, before I could start working out what I wanted, and then asserting it with partners.

Certainly, our young women and girls are raised to be pornified prudes, poor things, it's harder for them now than it was in the nineties. But how on earth can we discuss healthy sexuality with them, including peer pressure, enthusiastic consent, the whole shebang, while the rest of the world is so so so messed up about sex? I've seen "What you really really want" by Jaclyn Friedman, which seems to start from the right premise, which is that you should explore your body and feelings to work out what YOU life, before you begin a lifetime of pleasing others and being miserable.

fridakahlo · 16/04/2012 20:16

That does rather presume that one has not been reading Nancy Friday and such like from the age of twelve Grin
Seriously though, I think that could have been a good thing had I had someone older and wiser that I respected to talk about what I read and put it into the context of healthy sexuality, in actual fact, the book(s) left me with a very screwed up idea of boundaries. Did not stop the sex from being good though.

crackedceiling · 16/04/2012 22:33

Well I waited I was 18 to do the deed, but had plenty of 'sex' between then IYSWIM. I have had great sex in my life, just fabulous. Though no man has given me multiple O's. Just simultaneous O's. I got bored with them after a couple of years (with both partners). I guess I'm in love with me and my forefinger. Smile

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