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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Is going grey a feminist statement?

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MedusaIsHavingABadHairDay · 19/02/2012 01:22

I'm 44 and over the last year my hair has really started to go ..I have a 'mallen streak ' at the front and the top is peppered with random white hairs.
I don't mind and actually rather like my streak (it makes interesting stripes in my long hair)..it feels like the next stage of ME. However the number of comments I have received makes me wonder whether I'm being seen as 'abnormal' for not going down the 'female youth and beauty' norm?

I have had it implied that I should be colouring it for my husband (who is bald on top with a nifty short VERY grey beard that I love!) Other women..colleagues have been the worst. Personally I feel empowered by NOT being a slave to hair dye (I have coloured in the past and it was a drag). I never wear makeup or heels, and happy and confident in my 40s... but somehow allowing my hair to go grey seems to be a taboo subject!

If it IS a statement it's a good one as far as I am concerned Grin but just wondered what others have experienced!

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WidowWadman · 19/02/2012 10:16

", because my first reaction was that letting nature take its course has become a feminist issue: the cliches about feminists being ugly and having hairy legs come to mind."

I guess, that's the cliche Bonsoir is actually talking about. - You can be a well-groomed feminist, or a hairy one, you can be a grey one, or dye your hair any colour that you like, and still be a feminist.

The total rejection of anything to do with hairdye, shaving etc, in my opinion is actually not far from totally embracing the stereotypes, as the choices you make are dependent on the stereotype, rather than on your personal taste.

So not dyeing your hair, because you reject the notion that a woman should dye hair her, is actually not much different from dyeing it in that matter.

But basically - making the decision whether to dye or not dye based on personal taste rather than because you're being told to, is the right thing to do. Where that comes on the feminist scale, I don't know.

TheIIlusiveShadow · 19/02/2012 10:46

Not dying my hair, is for me, a feminist issue and a vanity issue.

For me, it's to do with fairness, the people I work with wear clean suits, shower and shave. To me their identity is bound with their skills, hobbies and attitudes towards their families along with what they have in their sandwiches. Appearance is superficial, we age, we lose fingers, we get bad backs that does n't alter our identity.

Dying your hair is about vanity, not identity and that is fine but don't muddle the two.

Dustinthewind · 19/02/2012 11:18

Lose fingers? Grin
That's the 8th Age of Man that Shakespeare missed out, the Zombie phase.

Shoopaloop · 19/02/2012 13:41

I am 35 and have been quite grey since I was late twenties. For me, it just wasnt an option to 'let nature take its course'. I felt I looked ridiculous with grey hair, and I didnt feel ready (and still dont) to 'look old'.

Its vanity on my part, certainly, and If I am honest, although I feel I am dyeing my hair for 'me' (and certainly not for men) my need to still be perceived as young and attractive obviously does come from societal norms in a male dominated society. There is no other explanation I can think of.

Molasses · 19/02/2012 13:44

Bonsoir: "Don't confuse "letting nature take its course" (eg going grey, not removing body hair, getting fat, not wearing a bra etc) with "feminism"."

I won't. Going grey, not removing body hair, getting fat and not wearing a bra is generally called 'being a man'.

CMOTDibbler · 19/02/2012 13:47

I don't think its a feminist thing, but I am heartily sick of seeing women who are obviously totally grey still dying their hair to look 'young'.

I'm 39, and am now white at the front, silver grey elsewhere. And I love it - everyone says I look great, and I don't look older either

MitchieInge · 19/02/2012 13:52

I'm really worried about the losing fingers thing Confused

FrothyDragon · 19/02/2012 13:57
Hmm

Christ, nice way to bow to the patriarchy, Molasses.

Dustinthewind · 19/02/2012 14:11

No, don't scare her away. She's proof that the majority of criticism about a woman's appearance is usually from a woman.
Yes, you muppet, I am a man.

Dustinthewind · 19/02/2012 14:16

It is why S&B is one of the sections I hide.
I fear it is full of vacuous twitterings about various sorts of creams at £50 a pot.
Maybe not, but I can't see with a section title like that it would have anything in it I wanted to read.

Dustinthewind · 19/02/2012 14:18

Wonders if 'you muppet' is an attack on a poster and will be deleted?
Oh well, sheep and lamb. here's a mascot for S&B

www.flickr.com/photos/feastoffools/3478651299/

KalSkirata · 19/02/2012 14:26

I do think the focus on womens appearance is a feminist issue.
I dont dye, wear makeup, heels or remove body hair. And women critisise me. Why?

Shoopaloop · 19/02/2012 14:30

I dont buy this 'women are our own worst critics' thing. I cant recall ever being criticsed by another woman, yet I have been criticsed and verbally abused for my appearance by men many times over the years.

Dustinthewind · 19/02/2012 14:34

I don't have a problem with other people doing makeup and clothes and threading and waxing, same as I don't have a problem with people choosing to be gymbunnies. I object when they start offering opinions about what I should be doing.

' I cant recall ever being criticsed by another woman,'
But Shoopaloop, you dye your hair and presumably do all the usual feminine things that make you approved of by women. Why should they criticise you? You are conforming.

Shoopaloop · 19/02/2012 14:37

I dye my hair. I didnt say anything else about my appearance or attitudes towards image.

You make a lot of assumptions.

Dustinthewind · 19/02/2012 14:39

So enlighten me. Smile
Do you wear make up and pluck and polish? Or will you tell me to MMOB and leave me wondering if I was wrong?

Dustinthewind · 19/02/2012 14:40

' my need to still be perceived as young and attractive obviously does come from societal norms in a male dominated society.'

It's tricky to appear to be young if you aren't without a bit of cosmetic assistance.

Shoopaloop · 19/02/2012 14:45

I dont 'polish' or remove body hair. I am not overly concerned with my appearance. I wear make up sometimes. I dye my hair. But I am quite comfortable with myself. Perhaps thats whyb nobody dares to criticise me?

I honestly cannot thinkof a time I have been critcised about my appearance by another woman. Maybe I just keep good company.

Shoopaloop · 19/02/2012 14:46

I do look very young for 35, actually.

Dustinthewind · 19/02/2012 14:49

Fair enough, I have to put up with the mums in the school yard and some very shallow colleagues. I'm puzzled as to what a man might say to you that would be critical rather than just crude or intended as a juvenile joke.

KalSkirata · 19/02/2012 14:54

very few people see my hair as I wear a scarf but when I've taken it off, in hospital or at coffee mornings I have had 'oh arent you brave for letting yourself go grey!'
Brave? Its hair, not fighting saber toothed tigers with a toothpick.

Shoopaloop · 19/02/2012 14:54

Been called fat, had my height commented on negatively, been asked why I 'dont dress up more and make the best of myself' and on occasions when I have dressed up, been asked why I dnt do it more often in a patronising manner. I have also been told I should grow my hair and obviously had all sorts of crude comments about my breasts/bum.

Molasses · 19/02/2012 16:53

I was misunderstood.

I meant that men don't seem to be too concerned about those things (going grey, getting fatter, not supporting their breasts) so why should women be?

I didn't like the 'nature taking its course is not to be confused with feminism' thing. Sounded like if you are relaxed about ageing, like many men (baldness notwithstanding), then you may not be feminist, you may just be slobby, so get that hair dyed.

Probably still being confusing....

WidowWadman · 19/02/2012 17:13

Where are all those men who don't care about their appearance, resting their double chins on their unrestrained moobs, whilst not even polishing their bald head to a shine?

I don't really know anyone who's like that.

KRITIQ · 19/02/2012 18:00

Widow, you must live in an interesting place where all human beings primp and preen. It's certainly not anywhere I've lived in the UK or the US for that matter. If one sits in a public place like a shopping mall or district, a leisure centre, a museum, etc., where alot of people are coming and going, it's very easy to see a gendered difference in the level of attention paid to appearance. Surely you aren't suggesting that men and women generally pay equal attention, money and time to their appearance, seriously? As many men's beauty and hair salons as those for women on the high street? As many male cosmetics for sale as women's?

As for hair, I believe any person should be able to wear their hair as they wish, short, long, natural colour, dyed, thick, thin, bald, wig, whatever they choose.

I think both men and women are more likely to be critical of women for having the wrong kind of hair, whatever they choose (e.g. letting it go grey, roots growing out, too dowdy, not "right" for the age, etc.) That, in my view, is just part of the common belief within our culture that the most important value of women is in her appearance (or at least if she achieves other things, she shouldn't "let herself go," - witness the crap Hilary Clinton, Margaret Beckett, Angela Merkel and other women politicians and leaders get for the way they look - something that rarely happens and never happens with such regularity for men in similar roles.

Myself? Fancied reinventing myself as blonde a few years ago, having been every other colour. Silver will be next when I'm bored with this barnet. Grin

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