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Dealing with a massively-entitled man...

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lovecat · 16/09/2011 17:33

It was a toss up between here and relationships...

I'm posting here for some advice/bit of a rant, because I'm about to go postal if I don't get it out somewhere. I suppose I'm posting here because I would like some feminist viewpoints on it (it may well be that it's not a feminist issue at all, that the bloke in question would be a knobber no matter what, but it feels like it might be).

Background - I'm directing a play. I've directed before, I'm good at it, I've won awards, people choose to come back and work with me again so I don't think I can be that terrible a person to work with.

I've cast a man in the latest production who's new to our group. He's an ex-public schoolboy who is now a teacher of an obscure subject at a private school (I feel this may be relevant?). He's a very good actor. However, he constantly questions me. Constantly.

He won't take any criticism (by which I mean directorial criticism, not "you're shit, mate"), but does it in such a way (very bumbling, self-deprecating (but in that way that expects you to leap in and say 'no, of course you're wonderful' in response), absent-minded professor type of guy, even though he's in his late 20's) that I'm being made to feel that I'm being unreasonable in asking him to do things a different way. He argues that the fact he gets his lines wrong (he gets the gist, but not the actual cue lines, which is deeply unfair to the rest of the cast) doesn't matter because we're not professional actors, he wanders off when he's supposed to be helping move scenery and then acts surprised and hurt when I shout for him to come and help...

I'm all for group input and the collaborative approach, in fact I love it when my actors come up with new things which I haven't seen in the script, and we spend a fair amount of time in the rehearsal process exploring character/motivations etc. No one else has given me half this amount of aggro.

A further complication is that he's shagging my co-director. She has just come out of a horrible relationship which was v. abusive, and is in no fit state to really be jumping into another relationship. He apparently has said to her that he doesn't want to get involved because it's too soon/he doesn't want to hurt her/whatever but that hasn't stopped him jumping into bed with her Angry and she's far too needy to say no. That's her choice, she's a grown woman, and I may be projecting here, but I get the feeling he thinks he's invincible because of this. He doesn't know that I know.

He also likes to make everything about him. When we go to the pub, he will take over the conversation and make it all about him. I lent my co-director a copy of the Lundy Bancroft book (she so needs it) and he saw it and said "Well! I don't think I'M one of those!" (I was kind of... erm... no-one said you were?) No matter what the conversation, it seems to always come back to him. The last few rehearsals, I got quite cross with him because of his constant quibbling - although I remained civil I was rather terse.

Anyway! The next rehearsal, last week, he asked if he could have a lift back to his and while I was driving he started in with 'you don't like me, do you?'

I said I liked him fine on a personal level (he's quite witty, and not too boring when you get past the me me me me thing - leaving aside my innate dislike of his actions in taking advantage of my co-director), but I didn't like the way he was constantly stopping the flow of things to query my direction.

His response was that he's "not a follower... I don't go with the crowd... some people may think that's a character flaw" and then paused meaningfully. I really didn't know what to say. I am terrible at confrontation and being ambushed like that I always tend to think of the right thing to say several hours afterwards (damn it all). I did say that in a theatre situation it was not helpful to be constantly questioned (what I wanted to say was that I found it deeply undermining but that came to me much later!). He responded that where he saw fault, he 'wasnt' about to keep quiet' - I asked him then if that was the case to take it up with me later and not in front of the rest of the cast. He said he would try, in the manner of someone bestowing a great favour.

He really does treat me in a very condescending manner, making out that I'm a nitpicker and somehow silly to be so concerned with 'irrelevancies' like getting his lines right (I said it was v. arrogant of him to think that way and he got VERY cold and haughty with me) and I've tried to ignore it but it's driving me crazy. I know I'm not a silly little woman so why is he intent on making me feel like that?

Having written this down (apologies for the essay), I actually think it's because he's a bit of an arsehole who likes to think of himself as a reasonable person, rather than he's an out and out chauvinist (I haven't seen him be like this with the men in the cast, but I have seen him be like that with the (male) set-designer when he was trying to tell him what angle to nail something), but he does so much mansplaining (funnily enough I was telling some of the female members of the cast what that was wrt another issue and he went straight into pooh-poohing mode) I was wondering if there was more to it than that? I'm so pissed off with him right now I feel like I'm going to explode at the next bit of nitpicking (and that's no good for anyone). I'm >< this close to sending someone else on with a book...

Any ideas? :)

(He's not getting any more lifts home, put it that way!)

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Happygomummy · 22/09/2011 08:41

To quote from the fab "in the thick of it"

"you need to use the carrot and stick approach". Take a carrot and stick it up his arse."

Sounds like he thrives getting a reaction from you (makes it all about him). Try to be utterly indifferent and be as patronising as you possibly can

AliceWyrld · 22/09/2011 09:20

Someone posted something about Boris Johnson recently. About how all the bumbling buffoon stuff was disdain, if he wanted to engage he was quite capable of it but would do it to people he didn't give a shit about essentially. Reminds me of this. I agree, get your friend in. If he wandered off like this, and you don't know whether he's still turning up or not, then you can't be expected to leave the part open on the off chance.

Hullygully · 22/09/2011 10:50

Yep, get someone else in.

Whatever you say or do won't register with him.

ChickensHaveNoEyebrows · 22/09/2011 11:01

Replace the fucker. He thinks he's too important for you to actually bin, so he's being a wanker. Replace and then sit back and watch the show (he will undoubtedly put on).

ZacharyQuack · 22/09/2011 12:35

He has quit your show. Call his bluff and replace him. It would be better to have someone who doesn't know the part very well, but is trying their best and working with the rest of the cast, than some entitled little fuckwit who is trying to prove a point.

TheCrackFox · 22/09/2011 12:47

Sack the fucker.

MrsBlarney · 22/09/2011 12:59

He's definitely a narcissist or has some other personality disorder.

He truly needs the world to revolve around him. He depends on it. You're clearly not making sure he feels important enough so he's doing to only thing he can to make himself THE most important person and take control again, that is, threatening to leave.

I wonder how he would react if you called his bluff.

What's the situation with your understudy?

buzzskillington · 22/09/2011 13:18

Replace him right now.

He said he was too childish to appear - i would take that as a. a statement of fact, and b. as a resignation. He is hoping you'll go crawling.

Lancelottie · 22/09/2011 13:22

Oh god, he sounds exactly like my 12-yr-old son (also thinks he's god's greatest gift to the stage, even in maths lessons).

When you've sorted this twit out, dear MN, would someone please tell me how best to stop Lanceboy cropping up on a thread exactly like this in 10 years or so?

buzzskillington · 22/09/2011 13:25

Teach him how to use a mop today Grin.

Lancelottie · 22/09/2011 13:27

Smile Extra housework --good plan on so many levels.

In fact, he quite likes mopping (and then gets all prima-donnaish about Other People sullying his nice clean floor).

blackcurrants · 22/09/2011 13:39

definitely sack him. Then come back here and tell us ALL about it.

[vicarious living emoticon]

Seriously, though, you've been brilliant. I hate confrontation too and I am DEAD impressed by how you handled it. Laughing at a man like this is the best way, it reduces them to the risible little toddlers they are, and is what they fear the most. Show him he's not that important. Get rid.

CoffeeRevel · 25/09/2011 16:49

How did it go on Friday? I think you said it was opening night ... Did you bring your friend or did the twat deign to show up?
(nosey emoticon). Hope all went well.

morrisseysquornmince · 26/09/2011 11:53

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Blackduck · 01/10/2011 13:09

What happened OP?

beakinthebeeswax · 02/10/2011 08:54

Yes we must know!

swallowedAfly · 02/10/2011 09:43

what has happened?

if you have to have another confrontation with him i'd give him a bit of a sermon on what a team is and how a production relies on everyone working as part of that team and respecting each others work and doing their share. that not learning lines was an insult to the rest of the cast who had, that not taking a share in the hands on work was assuming oneself to be above everyone else and that constantly nit picking and questioning showed a blatant disrespect for everyone else's time and needs. tell him that his unerring sense of self-importance needs working on if he wants to be able to be a useful part of a team but you will not be having him in a production again as you value team players who pull their weight and understand that they are not the centre of the universe.

what a nob.

well done you for standing up to him. hysterical lack of awareness to be stomping away and sulking whilst apparently outraged at being accused of being a child Grin

solidgoldbrass · 02/10/2011 21:57

Probably too late now but I would have advised writing him a letter. 'Dear [Knobbo],
We will no longer be requiring your services as your childish and unprofessional behaviour makes it impossible to work with you. We wish you luck with your acting career in future and hope you will be able to address your issues sufficiently to avoid this sort of unpleasantness in future.'

solidgoldbrass · 02/10/2011 21:58

Bugger, delete the first 'in future'.

Treats · 04/10/2011 13:42

Just typing in my support lovecat. I've done a lot of amdram (sorry to make the comparison if yours is a professional production - some of the details make it sound like it isn't) and some productions can be a misogynist's wet dream. Starting with the fact that most plays have bigger/better/more roles for men and it's a very rare play indeed where the female parts are anything other than the same old stock characters. You often end up with lots of very talented women fighting amongst themselves for tiny scraps, while very mediocre men get all the attention for their very average performances. And will obviously think that they deserve it for their fabulousness, when it was really just a consequence of having nobody else to play the part.

Added to this, the vast majority of the 'artistic' direction will be undertaken by men who very much enjoy the opportunity to exercise power. Some of the worst, incidentally, are gay men - often appointed because people believe that they must have impeachable artistic credentials if they're gay. Some - certainly not all - have no interest at all in the female characters and the most humiliating sexual writhing around I've done on stage (when I was much younger) was at the behest of a gay man.

Lots of the real leg work of running an amdram society is usually undertaken by women though, and - guess what! - their contribution is often under-rated. Booking rehearsal and performance venues, making the costumes, selling the tickets - nothing can happen without this stuff, but you rarely see the male director or any of the other men bothering themselves about it.

The worst cases I've known are the ones who let it be known to all and sundry that (in their own estimation) they should really be professional and actually it's outrageous that they're 'slumming it' in an amateur production - somehow it's always the fault of the people who are slogging tirelessly in their spare time to give the f*cker his opportunity to show off.

Sorry for long post. lovecat's situation has stirred up some bitter memories Grin.

Agree with the others though - if you can, get rid. Don't take any shit.

limitedperiodonly · 05/10/2011 16:01

Please say you've sacked him and replaced him with your friend lovecat.

Treats's post sounded spot on.

mathanxiety · 06/10/2011 18:15

'Do I sack him? Do I get an apology or do we leave it and pray he doesn't fuck it up for the rest of the cast? He has a large part and so much depends on his timing - he could really screw things up if he wanted to'.

Give him the chop. And warn everyone else you know in the business about him.

Life's too short and your other ensemble members deserve better.

(I had a neighbor like this and everyone piled in to help him pack when he finally announced he was moving. He ended up doing virtually nothing for himself but we couldn't get him organised fast enough. The constant drama that swirled around him was too much in the end).

BecauseImWorthIt · 06/10/2011 18:27

Sounds like he is calling your bluff and won't expect you to replace him.

I'd send him an e-mail thanking him for his time so far, saying it is regretful that he feels he can't operate as part of the troupe, and that he will no longer be required, and that you have replaced him.

Take charge. He sounds so arrogant that he will be thinking you are really upset about it and will be pathetically grateful to see him turn up!

What a twat.

(Him, not you - obviously! Grin)

Dozer · 06/10/2011 20:51

What happened?

lovecat · 07/10/2011 10:59

I'm sorry to disappoint you, I didn't sack him. If it had been a different kind of show then I would have taken IMMENSE pleasure in doing so, but I felt some niggles that it would be unfair on the rest of the cast, as they'd worked so hard and were used to his performance, it would be a jolt to them to send someone on with a book - and as it was a farce (What the Butler Saw - Joe Orton), timing was of the essence.

However.... I let it be known (via the method of saying and emailing it several times in front of his girlfriend-that-he-refused-to-acknowledge-in-public-as-such) that I had asked my (semi-pro and very talented) friend if he'd go on with a book and he was really looking forward to it and raring to go, that I had cleared my actions with the committee and they were behind me all the way, that I couldn't put up with his brattishness a moment longer... and I got a phone call apologising! :o

He was like a lamb after that and it was a really successful production with rave reviews.

Still not casting the bugger ever again!

Treats - yes, it is amdram, and I was nodding furiously to every word you wrote - it IS always the women who do the mundane donkeywork that enables the show to go ahead and very rarely the women who get to shine - thankfully, we have more than a few very strong women in the Company and we always make sure that if we do a bloke-heavy play, the next one we do is female-centric (it's the main reason I joined the group, was really thrilled that a local company was doing stuff like Caryl Churchill's Top Girls) so not much crap is taken and the admin people ALWAYS get acknowledged.

I know what you mean re. gay directors, having suffered that elsewhere, but I think the worst director I've ever had was a straight bloke - he was responsible for a lot of unneccessary 'sexual writhing' ...Hmm

yy that the ones who think they should be professional who are out and out arseholes. The ones who've actually had training and are with us between jobs (being a London group we get a lot of those) are generally the loveliest and easiest to work with. I think the clue's in the word 'professional' Wink

Sooo... sorry for keeping you on tenterhooks, the play took over my life for the last fortnight and I've only just recovered!

Thanks to all of you for your support, it really, really meant a lot to me and helped me in my final confrontation with the git - I love this board, long may it prosper! :o

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