The housing market as a feminist issue

[Bennifer]

This is a conflation of two thoughts. Firstly, the idea that it's ok to be single, and secondly, the rise of cost in housing so that people are priced out.

In my circle of friends I know single women, who, because they're single are in poor housing. One of my friends even stays with a partner because otherwise she'd be in a grotty houseshare or bedsit.

One of knock-on effects of high housing costs is the effect it has on women, and the difficulty of being independent single women.

Yes, you can have a pregnancy terminated at any point up to 24 weeks. But are you suggesting that all women faced with homelessness should have an abortion, just so they don't get priority? What happens to the women made homeless at 25 weeks? What about those who wanted the DC, but become homeless through no fault of their own, be it DV, flood, the landlord deciding to sell up, fire... etc

What you are saying, whether you realise. It or not is that women who are pregnant or have children who become homeless are bloody lucky to be allowed housing, after all it was their choice to fall pregnant/have those children.

Would that be a fair assessment of your opinion? If not please explain.

Being pregnant may be a choice, but so is impregnating someone. I'm sure both women and men are equally capable of doing silly things, but what about the menz? Shouldn't they take some responsibility?

That's perhaps a side issue to the reasons why young women find themselves homeless. Bear in mind that pregnancy is often when domestic violence begins, and when women lose their jobs or cannot continue to work. It's a double blow.

Oh, damn, strikethrough didn't work.

Btw, even if termination were an option for some women, you try getting a doctor's appointment without a fixed address, and following through to an appointment for the procedure (which, if Dorries had her way, would be significantly delayed).

I think Just is missing the point, women are not prioritised on council waiting lists (I know I run one), people with resident children are prioritised. In our society that does tend to be women, which is a whole other issue.

Additionally Just abortion isn't available on demand in the UK you have to convince two doctors you are entitled to one, and various threads recently have highlighted how difficult that can be.

Thanks for clearing that up Fire

I see many things as feminist issues. Most stuff, actually.

But I cannot, for the life of me, get irate that high house prices are a feminist issue.

They are a class, a salary and wealth issue, yes.

Ok, put it this way.

You have a single man.

And a single woman.

Both are interested in a house.

Both are working at the same level.

Who is most likely to be bringing home a bigger wage packet at the end of the month, and therefore more likely to get a mortgage, and the house.

If you said the man, then well done. Give yourself a gold star...

Lies, damn lies and statistics.

Just because staistically men earn more, that doesn't translate across the board.
I earned more than my DH for years.
We bought our first house on my salary alone.

Are you genuinely suggesting that single women aren't buying houses and single men are out there, snapping them all up?

Well, aren't you one of the lucky ones, then...

I'm suggesting single men are more likely to be buying houses than single woman. I'm not saying the single women aren't buying houses, but not at the same rate.

Oh, I just love it when people who work their arses off and make different choices get called lucky!

FWIW, we lived in a shitty little one room bedsit underneath a drugdealer for three years to save up for our first house whilst our friends were buying cars and getting pissed every Friday night. And I was working nights teaching in a YOI. That was a barrel of laughs was that. One to one tuition of rapists and nonces when you're only 23 yourself. Right lucky, I was.

"Nonces"... lovely...

I meant, with regards to you being the exception to the rule and earning more than your DP.

Dragon, it was a quite deliberate use of the word. What word would you prefer me to use?

I know several women who earn more than their husbands, all are professionals.
I didn't think it was unusual.

Sex offenders, paedophiles, something like that. I find "nonce" vile, tbh.

Again, I provided the link on page 2, very current link, which shows men are, on average earning £10,000 more than their female counterparts. They also estimate it'll take 98 years for the gender pay gap to close. Of course, every newspaper that reported this, just two days ago, must be lying.

I find the term nonce vile too.

However, I find it rather less vile than the young man I had to teach who raped a three year old girl over a six month period so violently that she had permanent internal damage.
I don't really care what the politically correct terminology for scum like that is. shrugs

I find the term vile, I have my reasons to protest against it. I'm not saying what he did isn't vile, but I feel it discredits (I think that's the word) the victims.

Your prerogative.

I don't like assumptions that people who have it good are " lucky". I feel that discredits what we have done to get where we are.

Like I said, I didn't mean through you having it good, I meant through you being the high earner compared to your DP. As I'm pretty sure I explained at 13:43...