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Has there ever been a well documented matriachal society?

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ChickensHaveNoEyebrows · 20/08/2011 12:16

I was just wondering , if the power balance was tipped in womens favour, how society would define masculine roles iyswim? Would it be a fairer society generally, or would it still have equality problems? And if it has ever happened, what exactly were those problems?

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PolkadotsAndMoonbeams · 11/09/2020 13:46

@ChickensHaveNoEyebrows

I'm sure you're right alex. I'm just theorising on why most societies became patriarchal rather than matriarchal. The men with the good ideas could throw their weight around effectively if they wanted to shout down other less physically strong members of their community. So eventually, size and strength equals power. Regardless of whether their ideas are the best or not. We still see that in the world today.

As a point of interest, has there ever been a female dictator? Or a female led military style coup?

As a point of interest, has there ever been a female dictator? Or a female led military style coup?

I suppose we can't count fictional ones?

Being serious though, women are more hampered with pregnancy/child-rearing. I think you can maintain a matriarchal society, but whether you can ever get it back when it's tipped into patriarchy I'm not so sure.

Has there ever been a well documented matriachal society?
Malahaha · 11/09/2020 14:17

Has this one in India been mentioned?

www.theguardian.com/world/2011/jan/18/india-khasi-women-politics-bouissou

However, men are complaining:

Kaith Pariat is sick of housekeeping and even more so of being bossed around by his mother-in-law. He has put up with this situation since he was married. "Can you imagine the shock of leaving your family home and suddenly becoming a dogsbody in your mother-in-law's house?" he asks. "She gives the orders and you become a good-for-nothing servant."

The Khasi, who number about 1 million in India's north-eastern state of Meghalaya, carry on the matrilineal tradition. The youngest daughter inherits, children take their mother's surname, and once married, men live in their mother-in-law's home.

"Only mothers or mother-in-laws look after the children. Men are not even entitled to take part in family gatherings. The husband is up against a whole clan of people: his wife, his mother-in-law and his children. So all he can do is play the guitar, sing, take to drink and die young," Pariat concludes gloomily.

MichelleofzeResistance · 11/09/2020 15:22

Mary Tudor, like Elizabeth Tudor, Margaret Thatcher, Queen Victoria, were all women trying to make it in a wholly dominated male system, where their survival depended on managing and surviving the males using them for their own various purposes and own ambitions. Jane Grey and Margaret Pole are examples of powerful women who didn't survive the use, and Jane Grey's sisters' lives were dominated and restricted until their deaths simply by the fact of their existing with blood in their veins that made them useful to male ambitions to plot against the throne.

Margaret Beaufort and Eleanor of Aquitaine are probably some of the most independent and powerful women personalities within British history who did succeed in making their own mark on their own terms in a male political system, but both of them suffered badly at the hands of it. Margaret was pregnant at twelve in a political marriage and nearly died giving birth, injured to the point that she never conceived again, and her child was raised by the men with ambitions with her having very limited access. Both were imprisoned and came near execution by the men wishing to control and use them. Katherine of Aragon was another remarkable woman with the strength of her mother who led armies on battlefields, but her achievements, some of which were achieved by carefully managing her husband, are mostly lost behind those of the men of her generation and she was tried, imprisoned, terribly treated and died largely for being in the way of her husband's freedom to re marry.

Their history is much the same problem we still have in the UK with women MPs, that a woman who has risen to the top of the current (male dominated, male led, set up by males for other males) political system and gained power, has power in very limited ways different to the way that a male in the same position would have. A woman has not been allowed to get there by doing or saying anything that would ruffle male sensibilities. They've got there by winning at the game of Patriarchy, which is why these days we see so many willing to be friends to women only in very limited and largely self interested ways. It's also why it's a thing that a woman who has gained a powerful position will actively try to prevent other women reaching positions of power around her and threatening her own male support structure: Thatcher was an example.

SerenityNowwwww · 11/09/2020 15:35

I remember learning about one in sociology - where the women are the heads of households and the men don't even stay under the same roof as their wives. The women run the village, are responsible for the children and land and the men provide the kids and do the heavy lifting. I wish I could remember where it was (S America I think).

Anyway - found this, lovely photos: www.beyondpinkworld.com/featurestories/culture/matriarchal-societies-world-2998

ProfessorSlocombe · 11/09/2020 15:53

Mary Tudor, like Elizabeth Tudor, Margaret Thatcher, Queen Victoria

Worth keeping an eye out for, when the BBC reshow it. Or get the book Smile

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01db7z8/episodes/guide

www.amazon.co.uk/She-Wolves-Women-England-Before-Elizabeth/dp/0571237061?tag=mumsnetforu03-21

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