What do you think are they universal constants of Feminism?

[Trills]

What is the thing that, if you don't believe it, you are not a feminist? Whereas everything else is debateable.

I am not exactly educated in feminism so this is mostly out of my head, but I would say that the key points are:
1 - The belief that everyone should be treated, valued, and respected equaly, and given equal opportunities in life, regardless of their gender
2 - The understanding that this is currently not the case

I can't think of anything else that is a must.

What do you think? Do you disagree with my "core values"? Would you add in anything else as an absolute?

So you think it's possible to believe 1 (that men & women should be treated equally) but think that actually you prefer them not to be? Interesting moral doublethink.

... and not at all unusual :(

I'm glad to see it's always whites who do patriarchy. So there is no tribal violence or discrimination by anyone else then? Rwanda? Darfur? Also glad to know that it's only richer people who are sexist. Further that no rights conflict - which ties in with a point about footballers - are they innocent when young if working class, and guilty when rich? And are the WAGs feminists or not?

I think your final question can safely be answered No, HYS! As to your other points - I see where you're coming from, but good luck with that.

I also have no idea, SGM.

I have no idea what HYS is saying. None at all. Do you think she meant to post it on another thread?

I think that this is an interesting question and I agree with the 3 on the list.

I would also consider adding something to the effect of:

1. Believe all women should have overall control of what happens to their body.

I was thining in relation to rape and abortion, more specifically abortion (rather than illness and disability). It may be covered by number 1. in general but we have had people on here say that they are anti-abortion but a feminist (for example) and I can't see how that can be the case. To be anti-abortion would be denying a woman's right to have control of her body, as men have control of their bodies. But as pregnancy only happens to women there is no direct equivalent for men is it a separate consideration?

More a musing than anything else.

Poverty victimises men and women but women suffer worse under poverty because of patriarchal structures.

How exactly?

Women are seen as vulnerable and therefore given priority when homeless, in the pursuit of equality should this be erased?

Disagree.

There is different service provision for single woman vs. single man given by Edinburgh City Council.

Because women are "vulnerable" and cannot spend any time on the streets.

SaF and Hand I am pro-choice emphatically. However, i'm not sure being a feminist and being against abortion are necessarily mutually exclusive. They are if you think you have the right to go around telling other women what they can do with their bodies, but you can be against the idea of having an abortion and make your opinion known as long as you don't tell another woman what she should do. Or does that automatically make you pro choice? I may have to go away and ponder this more.

You can be against yourself having an abortion, certainly. But I don't know how you could be against other people having abortions without saying that women do not have absolute rights over their own bodies.

Maybe if men could carry children you would be aginst them having abortions to, so your opinion is not anti-women, it is a balanced opinion that biology turns into a problem for women only.