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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

"man up"

34 replies

miniwedge · 06/05/2011 19:33

how about we change that phrAse to "time to be assertive", and even better, change the assumption that being male makes you better equipped to be assertive?

Just a thought. Have seen the phrase used a lot recently and it is becoming irritating.

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K999 · 06/05/2011 19:41

I consider myself to be far more assertive than many of my male colleagues!

miniwedge · 06/05/2011 19:44

Exactly. Why does being assertive need to be related to gender?

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K999 · 06/05/2011 19:45

Probably because idiots think that women should me meek and mild....Grin

miniwedge · 06/05/2011 20:45

Grin it's the breasts, they get in the way of rational thought......

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thefinerthingsinlife · 06/05/2011 20:49

I deteste this phrase, along with "grow a pair" and any other similar rhetoric.

Grin @K999

thefinerthingsinlife · 06/05/2011 20:49

detest

everyspring · 06/05/2011 20:50

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Goblinchild · 06/05/2011 20:53

I prefer 'Remember you are a vertebrate.'

allegrageller · 06/05/2011 20:57

a lesbian friend was told to 'butch up' by another lesbian. I don't know if that is an acceptable alternative (cos after all butches are female) or just as bad...

CristinaTheAstonishing · 06/05/2011 21:01

I thought the phrase was on its way out. I haven't heard it recently but used to a lot 2+ years ago.

CristinaTheAstonishing · 06/05/2011 21:02

Agree about 'grow a pair', though, that is so offensive.

pointydog · 06/05/2011 21:17

I like the phrase 'man up' but only when said to a woman.

AmIAPayne · 06/05/2011 21:25

I usually tell my women friends to "woman up" and they go "Payne the phrase is man up" Hmm

StewieGriffinsMom · 06/05/2011 21:34

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miniwedge · 06/05/2011 21:57

Man up is used lots on here as is grow a pair.

Suck it princess??

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PrinceHumperdink · 06/05/2011 22:24

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swallowedAfly · 06/05/2011 22:33

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ZillahWhoDrankTooMuchGin · 06/05/2011 22:34

"Never grow a wishbone, daughter; where your backbone ought to be."
1920s feminist - Clementine Paddleford
I love this quote!

.....must admit i did once tell a friend to 'think like a man' when it came to her hobby - she had all but discarded it for her family and friends while her Dh still had his interests to fall back on of an evening / weekend....and while it's not ideal - i couldn't tihnk of a better way of telling her that her interests where just as valid a passtime. After all - we all know of marriages where the man continues his prenuptial hobbies and the woman forgoes hers totally.

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blackcurrants · 07/05/2011 01:19

I've tried to swap "guts" or "intestinal fortitude" for "balls" or "ballsy" (both used a bit over here in the USA.)

I love "spine" and "backbone" though - very no-nonsensey, very equal-opportunities tough-but-not-aggressive. :)

ElephantsAndMiasmas · 07/05/2011 01:35

I try to avoid "man up" and deffo not "grow a pair" or "you've got balls" type comments - beautifully put sAf btw - it totally reinforces the idea that men are or should be tough and dominant. Remember "if we stand up for our rights we're aggressive and 'unfeminine' and if we don't" (and presumably if women don't 'grow a pair') "we're typical weak females".

Prolesworth · 07/05/2011 11:07

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aliceliddell · 07/05/2011 12:23

Like Prolesworth's ovaries. And Goblin's vertebrate. All this 'man up' grow a pair' is just (literally) bollocks

JessinAvalon · 07/05/2011 13:11

This phrase really annoys me. I work with someone who is in the navy reserves and she said it all the time until a male colleague who had heard me ranting about it pulled her up on it not long ago. I had a warm feeling inside when he did that!

He also emailed to say that I would be proud of him because the other day he had changed "unmanned" in a report to "unstaffed". Some of what I said in the 6 months he sat by me has sunk in!

It's amazing how much language just ignores women. When we talk of an England team it usually refers to the men's football or cricket team, for example.

HandDivedScallopsrgreat · 07/05/2011 13:25

My experience of people saying this has generally been overgrown school boys in a male-dominated environment. And that sums up their attitude to life in general. Single-handedly belittling the person they are speaking to and women in general. Lovely.