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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

womens changing role in Britain since 1930's

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JazzAnnNonMouse · 11/04/2011 20:34

I need to write an essay on something that has changed since the 1930's, I've chosen to write about women's role in society because I'm interested in feminism but haven't really been exposed to the viewpoints as they appear on this board. (obviously equal pay etc but nothing as extreme as some of the opinions on here.)
I was just wondering your viewpoints on how women's roles have changed (apart from the obvious less housewives and more working) and what hasn't changed?
All viewpoints welcome :-)
(first time posting in feminism so sorry if any turn of phrase I've written is wrong/not feminist.)

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JazzAnnNonMouse · 13/04/2011 20:15

I'm quite confused by feminism... thought I got it but I'm not sure if I do!
Haven't seen any of the threads you mention - What are they titled?

Thanks Vesuvia - that's a really long time after they said they'd remove it! Do you know why there were so slow about it?

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sethstarkaddersmackerel · 13/04/2011 20:20

Here's the first Resisting Compulsory Femininity thread. It's a bit long, sorry!

JazzAnnNonMouse · 13/04/2011 22:29

thank you! I will let you know what I think - might not read ALL of it :)

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JazzAnnNonMouse · 13/04/2011 22:45

Hmm I think it's interesting but I'm not sure that you need to be hairy to be a feminist?
I don't always mind having hairy legs - certainly don't shave as much as others do... BUT for me it is nice to have smooth legs and I feel much more confident, I'm not sure if that's anything to do with men though. Perhaps it is for some, not for me as DP doesn't really care and I don't care what anyone else thinks.

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JazzAnnNonMouse · 13/04/2011 22:46

also - do you think this has changed since the 30's?

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AliceWorld · 14/04/2011 11:45

No you don't need to be hairy to be a feminist. That's not what people are saying on that thread. They're experimenting with not doing things that society frames as feminine. It doesn't make them more or less feminist. But the experiment comes from a feminist starting point.

I would say it will have changed since the 1930s as I am guessing they didn't have the same hair removal paraphernalia. Certainly what hair should and shouldn't be removed has changed, eg pubic hair. (There's a huge thread on that) But the notion that women should have to perform certain acts in order to be 'feminine', I would doubt has changed. So the what might have changed but I doubt the premise has.

sethstarkaddersmackerel · 14/04/2011 13:56

they were always powdering their noses in the 30s I believe. Great concern about a man catching you with a shiny nose, I remember a line in a Monica Dickens book where she says 'I caught sight of my nose shining out of the corner of my eye' Confused

no, you definitely don't have to have hairy legs to be a feminist Grin

garlicbutter · 14/04/2011 14:20

You can't ignore WW2, obviously. WW1 triggered deep-seated social change that led, in some ways, to a greater division by gender - before it, class was a more significant divisor than sex. In the 1930s the first generation of girls who recieved a statutory education, albeit limited in the working classes, reached adulthood. My Gran was born in 1900 and was schooled from age 6 to 12, though she still had to work as well.

During WW2 women had jobs, social freedoms and their own money. Quite a few even got promoted to high levels in erstwhile masculine domains, like engineering, and some were paid more than the men. They still had to maintain hearth, home and time-consuming hairstyles (and grow their own veg!) but found fantastic support amongst fellow women and, on the whole, had a good time. When the men came back they needed their jobs. US and European governments launched an entirely deliberate publicity campaign to promote domestic virtues in women.

Iirc, it was the biggest ad spend to date by the British government. The ideal family was sold as the nuclear unit we still (imagine we) have today, wifey looking pretty and keeping the kids quiet while hubby brought home the bacon. It was so effective that single mothers and working women were sometimes stoned in public - it happened to some women I knew.

The new 'ideal family' fed huge marketing drives during the 50s and 60s, plugging all the cheesy values we are still fighting today. At that time, two other big changes happened - immigration and the Pill. The latter was obviously a massive trigger for change, and enabled women to question their alloted 'fate'.

There's mountains of information about what heppened from 1969 onwards, just thought it might be helpful to offer a superficial summary of the preceding 40 years! Great topic, hope you enjoy it :)

JazzAnnNonMouse · 14/04/2011 14:55

hang on - it wasn't until the 1930's that education was statutory for girls as well?? Oh my!

Stoned? ah!

Thanks - interesting additions!!

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Lilymaid · 14/04/2011 15:06

The Education Act 1880 required compulsory education for children (boys and girls) up to the age of 10.

garlicbutter · 14/04/2011 15:12

Thanks, Lily. Consider me corrected on that, Jazz.

JazzAnnNonMouse · 14/04/2011 15:17

OK - quite glad that you were wrong tbh!
10 is still very young though isn't it!!

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garlicbutter · 14/04/2011 15:21

Yeah. Granny's writing was endearing - all mixed-up capitals & lowercase, and inventively phrased to keep the words & sentences short. She couldn't read a book, though, and relied on accompanying pictures to understand instructions.

JazzAnnNonMouse · 14/04/2011 15:31

That's so sweet but sad. Reading is so important imo... not just because I love reading but in general life: recipes, instructions, shopping etc

My Nan's writing is quite bad, I always assumed that it was due to her arthritis but I think actually she left school at 12ish.

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