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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Doing without titles: who likes the idea?

60 replies

StuffingGoldBrass · 01/02/2011 14:24

Inspired by another thread about being called Ms/Miss/Mrs - how many times is it really necessary to use titles like Mr/Ms to indicate whether we are male or female?
After all, how many interactions/jobs are there where it really does matter what gender a person is?

OP posts:
slug · 02/02/2011 10:53

I quite fancy being "Honourable" though it does conjur up images of people bowing as they say it.

sakura · 02/02/2011 10:57

I could live with "HOnourable"

BuzzLightBeer · 02/02/2011 11:19

The problem with getting rid of titles is that at the same time you are also getting rid of formality, which a lot of people will not like at all.

I like "Comrade". Grin

Fennel · 02/02/2011 11:31

Oh yes I could go with Comrade Smile

FlamingoBingo · 02/02/2011 12:07

You don't want to be Hon either, as a woman. Rt Hon is if you're an MP so you won the title in your one right. You're only an Hon if your father or husband has a peerage, though.

sakura · 02/02/2011 12:35

So, sister then...?

Nah, let's go with comrade. It's got a subversive ring to it.

BuzzLightBeer · 02/02/2011 12:40

I actually did belong to a group that quite a few people used comrade, with a straight face. It could catch on?
Grin

PoledrathePissedOffFairy · 02/02/2011 12:47

I thought Rt Hon was only members of parliament who are also members of the Privy Council/Cabinet? And yer bog standard MP is The Hon Member for.......

MarniesMummy · 02/02/2011 12:50

Do a PhD OP, then you get to be Dr!Grin

FlamingoBingo · 02/02/2011 12:52

Sister still identifies your gender though.

FlamingoBingo · 02/02/2011 13:00

Yes, Rt Hon just members of PC, you're right, Poledra. Hon MPs can't use the title in writing, just in speech.

How about 'fantastic'? Grin

Ft FlamingoBingo

BuzzLightBeer · 02/02/2011 13:01

Most names identify your gender, so unless you use a gender neutral title and surnames only, you are identified by gender anyway.

Personally I don't care if my gender is identified because thats something that is easy to see anyway, but I do have an issue with my title identifying my marital status when a mans does not.

mousymouse · 02/02/2011 13:03

I like the idea. or just having a title for each gender, not one for men and 3 for women. just silly.
in my office we are not allowed to call people by their academic title(s), only names, preferably fornames only.

Coleysworth · 02/02/2011 13:05

Another vote for Comrade here Grin

PoledrathePissedOffFairy · 02/02/2011 13:06

You're not allowed to call someone by their academic title? Why not - I worked bloody hard for mine??

MarniesMummy · 02/02/2011 13:07

Citizen?

mousymouse · 02/02/2011 13:08

I am sure you did, fairy, but it saves us "lowly secretaries" from beeing treated as second rate employee...

suzikettles · 02/02/2011 13:10

I immediately thought of Comrade Grin

JoanofArgos · 02/02/2011 13:11

I would like this, or second choice, just Mr or Ms. I LOATHE 'is that Miss or Mrs?', as though nothing can be properly processed until your marital status is certain.

It is the only time I say 'it's DOCTOR, actually', and that shuts them up!

PoledrathePissedOffFairy · 02/02/2011 13:12

I see - actually, when I stop to think about it, where I work, we use first names even up to Board level. However, my title is used in correspondence and such like.

I occasionally call my boss by his title and surname to poke fun at him. Grin

StuffingGoldBrass · 02/02/2011 13:17

I also don't get why it's rude to make a mistake in correspondence and address someone by the honorific of the gender they are not eg when you are writing to a J Smith and don't know if it's Ms or Mr. Surely a person would only be offended by that if they thought, for some odd reason, that one gender is better than the other....

(oh, wait...)

OP posts:
sakura · 02/02/2011 13:18

not citizen.. nation states are patriarchal constructions...

MarniesMummy · 02/02/2011 13:25

Yay!

Turns out I'm not invisible AND I've lernt something today!

Thanks SakuraGrin.

(Isn't Dutch society matriarchal?)

MarniesMummy · 02/02/2011 13:25

learnt grr! (dashed sticky 'a' key)

PoledrathePissedOffFairy · 02/02/2011 13:29

See, that's the thing, SGB - I am clearly so conditioned that I do feel rude when I mistake someone's gender like that.

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