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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Made in Dagenham

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ElephantsAndMiasmas · 11/10/2010 12:30

Is there a thread about this? Went to see it last week and wanted to have a chat about it.

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msrisotto · 11/10/2010 12:34

I saw it last week too, liked it :)

ElephantsAndMiasmas · 11/10/2010 12:39

I liked it too - found it very stirring stuff. The personal stuff was brilliant IMO, the husband and the Rosomund Pike character were so well-rounded and yet managed to illustrate something wider at the same time.

Loved the fact that the RP character (how apt) was the kind of woman who will cheer you on, lend you a dress, ask you to do it in their name too. There are so many women like this and they are important to feminism too IMO. They give those more able/passionate/well-positioned to do practical things a body of support behind them.

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ElephantsAndMiasmas · 11/10/2010 12:39

*Rosamund

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ElephantsAndMiasmas · 11/10/2010 17:46

Anyone else?

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msrisotto · 11/10/2010 19:43

Sorry, my comment was particularly useless! I agree though, very realistic characters.

ElephantsAndMiasmas · 11/10/2010 19:48

hahaha thanks for coming back msrisotto. Either it's only us who have seen it, or everyone else has been too disgusted to comment Shock

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RamblingRosa · 11/10/2010 19:53

I started a thread about it a while back.

I saw it too and loved it. I found it really moving. I love Sally Hawkins (is that her name?) who played the main character.

ElephantsAndMiasmas · 11/10/2010 20:01

She was great - I nearly didn't see it because she was so annoying in Happy Go Lucky, but it's amazing what not wearing a fixed grin for the duration of the film can do for a woman.

It was really moving, DP was holding my hand tight throughout which sounds ridiculous but it was just amazing to see a story like that in a normal cinema, on a big screen.

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Takver · 11/10/2010 20:14

Can't help with chat, but glad to hear it is good and will go to see it. I was distinctly underwhelmed by the trailer (they all looked a bit glam) but I guess it is better than it looks.

ElephantsAndMiasmas · 11/10/2010 22:49

I didn't like the trailer at all - it made it look really, er, comedy-brassy. Film much better.

There were a few things that bother me about it - the actual policy changing stuff seemed a bit suspiciously simple for example.

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RamblingRosa · 12/10/2010 08:46

I found some of it a bit over simplified and glossy but, to be fair, it's a film not a documentary.

If a few facts get changed along the way to make a better story and that means that young women who otherwise wouldn't know anything about the Equal Pay Act etc get to see it and enjoy it and learn something then that's ok by me :)

ElephantsAndMiasmas · 12/10/2010 09:10

DP comes from a very left-wing background and he was moved by the general uprising-of-the-workers theme, especially good to have out at the moment.

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Unprune · 12/10/2010 09:21

I've seen the ads for this on tv and tbh my first thought is 'omg NO not another underdog-against-the-establishment-set-against-a-working-class-backdrop' Britfilm ( there are SO many, identical plots, different settings, see Kinky Boots/The Full Monty/Billy Elliott etc).

It's really good to see some reviews. I might go and see it.

RamblingRosa · 12/10/2010 10:10

I don't think there are many of those types of film prune.

I think the films you listed are exceptions rather than the norm. That's precisely why they were surprise hits because no one thought that those types of films could be commercially successful.

And it is precisely a underdog-against-the-establishment-set-against-a-working-class-backdrop type film so, if that's not your cup of tea, I really wouldn't recommend it!

Unprune · 12/10/2010 10:45

Oh no, is it? I was hoping someone would say 'nah, it's nothing like those'. I truly reached my limit with Kinky Boots.

RamblingRosa · 12/10/2010 11:01

Didn't see Kinky Boots. What was that about?

I recommend the film. It might not be your usual cup of tea but it might surprise you. I challenge you to not find it moving!

ElephantsAndMiasmas · 12/10/2010 11:24

Erm, unprune, how could it not have that plotline?

It's about low paid workers (underdog) against their exploitative bosses and some treacherous union members (establishment), in the context of a car factory (working class environment).

Maybe if they'd changed the setting to the Alps and the car workers to mime artists or something? :o

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ElephantsAndMiasmas · 12/10/2010 11:27

Also The Full Monty and Billy Elliot have completely different plots. And you can hardly say that the personal and professional circumstances of women factory workers in the 1960s is a well-mined seam is it? In the same way that, say, the internal life and anxiety of beefy wealthy white American man-children in their 30s is...

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RamblingRosa · 12/10/2010 11:39

Indeed Elephants Grin. Couldn't agree more about working class women fighting for equality not being a well mined seam!

Unprune · 12/10/2010 12:22
Grin It's the plot type that we get so much of in British film - BUT having seen some posters I really like, liking the film, I will go and see it with an open mind, honest. I agree we can't get enough of the subject matter in the mainstream so it's churlish not to support it. And (backtracks a bit) there are always some really good performances from actors you don't see very much in these films (but please not Julie Walters, please...).

Kinky Boots was a true story about a family-run shoemakers in Nottingham who turned to the fetish market to survive. The real documentary about it was great: the film version was painful to watch, not in a good way Grin

RamblingRosa · 12/10/2010 12:44

Don't worry, Julie Walters isn't in it Grin.

It's good. Go and see it and then tell us what you thought of it. I hope you like it.

Poogles · 12/10/2010 12:46

Haven't seen in yet but plan to. You should bear in mind that it is a true story!! They might have made a few changes in the story but the bottom line of women being paid as unskilled workers doing a skilled job just because they were women is true! Thanks to these strikers, the equality laws across Europe are what they are now.

As I said, I haven't seen the film, but does it cover the fact that women weren't allowed to work shifts and received shift pay because they were women??

It's amazing to see how far we have come over the years in terms of equality! These women were the Pankhursts of manufacturing!!

justabit · 12/10/2010 13:22

Saw it last night. Given that it is a film wanting to attract a widespread audience (ie not an art cinema crowd)I thought that it told the story well and without labouring the point clearly showed how the women (both in the factory and in the Government) were underminded by the men who were supposed to stand for rights and right. I would have liked it if they had added at the end a synopsis of the situation here in the UK this year with regard to male and female pay and the distance still to travel but I guess you can't have everything.

blackcurrants · 12/10/2010 17:36

ooh i want to see this, now. It opens here on Nov 19th, and by then it might be time to get a babysitter and venture Out At Night. :)

msrisotto · 12/10/2010 17:42

Kinky Boots was set in Northampton!! Crikey, the only bit of fame we get and Nottingham takes the shine away.....AngryGrin