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📚 'Rather Dated' April: Rumor Godden's 'The Greengage Summer'📚

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FuzzyCaoraDhubh · 11/04/2025 21:25

This month's book for the Rather Dated Bookclub is Rumor Godden's 'The Greengage Summer'.
All are welcome to join in the discussion!

This is a wonderfully immersive story about a family of five, whose mother, in a pique of annoyance takes them over to a sleepy rural village in France in champagne country, to 'see the battlefields' and 'give them an education' because she thinks they need to learn and appreciate what the previous generation has experienced during world war two and then they will appreciate how well off they are.

The children are only too keen to travel outside of the boring, humdrum little town of Southport. Little do they know what lies ahead for them as their mother becomes seriously ill and the children, the eldest of whom is sixteen, are left at the hotel to manage on their own and cope with the French staff and the mysterious Englishman Eliot, who, while wonderful and kind to them, is a complex and difficult individual with an agenda of his own and who shows a ruthless streak and is frightening and confusing for them.

There is so much to discuss in the book. I'm going to start by outlining the main aspects of the plot. Firstly, there is the introductory section in England where the children are bored and restless and Mother hatches her plan. I liked Mother. I was sorry that she was laid up in the hospital for the duration of the book but it had to be, or the story wouldn't have happened!

Then, the early days at the hotel when Joss was sick in bed. This was idyllic. The children start to settle in and find their feet. Then Joss gets better and Eliot notices her. Mlle Zizi becomes jealous. Eliot takes them out on an excursion three days in a row. There is trouble on the third day. M. Joubert takes Joss on as a student. Everything calms down and there is a reprieve. The children go back to playing and having a quiet time, but they still observe everything that happens around them.

The Brass Instruments Ball preparation is underway. Jealousy on the part of Mlle Zizi rears its head again. Joss dresses up and becomes the belle of the ball. Eliot ignores her and stays at Mlle Zizi's side. Joss attracts the attention of Paul with disastrous consequences. The gendarmerie and Detective Cailloux, alerted by Joss, come to the hotel to interview the children about Eliot. The telegram which calls Uncle William from England is Eliot's downfall. We don't know what happens following the close of the story, but I assume that Eliot's location is discovered and he will be arrested.

I really loved the description of the village and the hotel and I thought the writing was very descriptive and colourful and that it was full of vivid imagery evoking all the senses. I liked the children and thought they were a real bunch of characters. There were many good lines too, sharp observations and humour.

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Peggysue14 · 08/07/2025 16:39

I’m so glad that other people are enjoying Rumer Godden, such a great writer. I recently finished An Episode of Sparrows, my favourite so far has been Kingfishers Catch Fire but also really enjoyed Coromandel Sea Change which was one of her later novels.

Terpsichore · 08/07/2025 18:49

Peggysue14 · 08/07/2025 16:39

I’m so glad that other people are enjoying Rumer Godden, such a great writer. I recently finished An Episode of Sparrows, my favourite so far has been Kingfishers Catch Fire but also really enjoyed Coromandel Sea Change which was one of her later novels.

Have you seen the 1958 film of Episode of Sparrows, @Peggysue14? it was retitled 'Innocent Sinners' and has an absolutely marvellous central performance from a child actress called June Archer who doesn’t seem to have made many other films. She’s so amazingly natural on camera. It pops up occasionally on Talking Pictures, highly recommended if you ever spot it.

Thinking about it, Rumer Godden had rather a good strike rate with films made from her books, didn’t she? - Black Narcissus, The Greengage Summer, An Episode of Sparrows, The Battle of the Villa Fiorita, A Fugue in Time and The River were all filmed, and there were TV adaptations of a few others.

TheeNotoriousPIG · 10/07/2025 22:27

I will add it to my 'books to buy' list at once, so thank-you for the write-up, OP!

However, I still think that my favourite Rumer Godden book will always be The Diddakoi, even if I do count greengages as one of my favourite fruits!

@Terpsichore I am green with envy about your greengage tree, and off to hunt for a dwarf variety to buy!

TonTonMacoute · 31/07/2025 15:58

I have just discovered this thread having re read this book after hearing RG on a Desert Island Discs repeat this summer.

I loved it as a teenager (aeons ago!) and enjoyed it even more on this re read. It's beautifully written, it's very short but there is so much in it - long lazy days not really doing anything punctuated by significant events. She's brilliant at children, especially the in between neither adult nor child stage that Cecil is at. The contrast between Zizi's fading sexual appeal and Joss's emerging power is well done, although her age makes it uncomfortable.

It's interesting because there are books I've read recently that I cannot remember a single thing about them, but there is imagery in this book that has remained strong in my memory for over 40 years. It has stood up well IMO.

The film is on YouTube. I have seen it but thought is was quite disappointing.

BeringBlue · 16/08/2025 23:23

Slightly late to the party, as I only bought the book last week at my local French market.

What I loved about it is that although certain things might seem dated, there are elements in the book that a hundred years later are still recognisably part of the fabric of today's life in rural France.

I loved the liberal use of French (despite the odd spelling mistake!) without the author's feeling the need to translate, and the moments when Cecil needed to point out what they had or hadn't understood and how at some point the languages merged (my reality).

The plot was almost an aside for me; it was the descriptions of the food, the wine, the caves, the dresses, the house and its gardens, and the social mores that I found seductive, having myself fallen in love with France 40 years ago.

But combined with all that is my knowledge of the type of English childhood the protagonists had grown up with: the Enid Blyton-ness of picnics with hard-boiled eggs (because that's the way my grandmother did picnics!)

Anyway, I loved it. And more adults should read young adult books and remind ourselves of what it was like to be in the cusp of adulthood!

Carla786 · Yesterday 23:57

I know this is an older thread but I just really it and had a couple of thoughts. I enjoyed it a lot, as I do most of RG.
Did anyone else get the sense Willmouse was implied to maybe be likely to grow up gay? Interested in fashion, fastidious, a bit of an old soul : these I've seen used in other books from then to imply that. Or maybe not?

I think Godden's excellent at writing in a child's voice, as pp said. She spent years as a dance teacher (hence why several of her kids' books feature dance) and I this probably fed in. Her autobiography A Time To Dance, No Time To Weep is a good read.

TonTonMacoute · Today 11:32

I suppose you can read into it what you like, and I'm sure many readers would make that assumption. even though the character is very young still, but he's painted as a determined little character who is certainly 'different'. Of course the connotations of him possibly growing up gay would have been more significant at the time it was written than it is now.

I know that several of her books have a strong autobiographical element, but interestingly RG grew up with sisters and her children were all daughters. Maybe a little girl who was obsessed by fashion wouldn't have been so interesting. Certainly the small boys I have known would have been a total nightmare to keep entertained in that situation 😀

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