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Bienvenue à Paris - The Count of Monte Christo, thread 2

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LeylaOfCircassia · 30/03/2025 21:49

Welcome back - we now find ourselves in Paris, where we have discovered:

  • the Count has unlimited resources
  • apparently unlimited patience
  • is being rather harsh on Mercedes
  • has unmasked adultery and a rather tragic act and reunited father, mother and son, but with an incestuous twist, everyone remains in innocent ignorance
  • grandparents have died, there may have been foul play
  • a couple of women don't want to marry a couple of men, who in turn, also don;t want to marry them

If you are new and joining us - God Speed.

Previous thread here

Next week, from 31st
Monday - Lemonade
Tuesday - The Accusation
Wednesday - The Retired Baker’s Room
Thursday - Breaking and Entering
Friday - The Hand of God
Saturday - Beauchamp
Sunday - rest

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TonTonMacoute · 14/05/2025 10:36

I finished a few weeks ag9 and it's been quite hard not to post any spoilers.

It does finally make sense why the Count tested Morel to the limit, to ensure that he could be trusted with the fortune and to look after Valentine and Noirtier.

And I think the moral that seeking the revenge and planning it so meticulously all those years took a serious toll on him too.

I would have liked to know what happened to Benedetto in the end, he disappeared after the court scene.

FuzzyCaoraDhubh · 14/05/2025 11:47

It would have been interesting to know what happened to Benedetto! His case was adjourned and extenuating circumstances were mentioned. He always had good luck. You wouldn't know, maybe he got off lightly.

I agree with your points about Morel, TonTon. That's true. And the Count lived happily ever after, but Mercedes didn't. I think the Count was very hard on her and she was hard on herself too. It was very much taken from a male centric point of view. She should have waited and died in honourable poverty. That was a bit annoying. At one point he did say she should have taken half of Fernando's fortune for herself, so that was something.

DuPainDuVinDuFromage · 14/05/2025 11:56

A big thank you from me too, to @AgualusasLover for running the thread, and to everyone for all the interesting discussion! I’ve really enjoyed it 😊

I do think Mercedes was treated harshly, and then the Count ends up living happily ever after with a girl young enough to be his daughter (and she is, in fact, basically his adopted daughter, ewww). Not really fair and definitely very male-directed!

Danglars also seemed to get off lightly as he has gone off into the sunset with the probable ability to make more money (which is all that matters to him - he couldn’t care less about losing his wife and daughter). I was surprised about that.

And yes - what about Benedetto? I suppose he was just a way to get to Villefort and Danglars, so once he had served his purpose he was forgotten about - Edmond hadn’t sworn revenge against him.

Finally, thank you @TonTonMacoute for making sense of why the Count put Morrel through such hell - that totally explains it and I hadn’t joined those particular dots!

JaninaDuszejko · 14/05/2025 12:06

Didn't someone say upthread that one of the films changed the ending so Edmund and Mercedes got together. Since Fernand is dead that would be a far more satisfactory ending from a modern viewpoint (in fact nowadays it would be illegal for a man to marry his adopted daughter). Maybe historically he needed to have a young wife so he could have children?

MotherOfCatBoy · 14/05/2025 12:31

I was pissed off about Mercedes as well. I went back and read that chapter again and she seemed almost to condemn herself, though of course it could have been written differently. I sort of get how sometimes with an old flame there is too much water under the bridge,but their relationship was so lovely at the beginning I really thought they would get a happy ending - particularly with the middle section where there is the painting of her pining after him, and the scene in the orangery with so much unspoken.

It’s the Depardieu TV series that changes their ending - if you can stomach him now he’s been convicted - it actually works quite well. He and Mercedes return to Marseille to live together, and Haydee is wooed by - Albert! Which is actually rather fitting. Much prefer that.

MotherOfCatBoy · 14/05/2025 12:32

Still, a galloping read, and I particularly loved the Vampa scenes. Will watch the new French TV series just for him I think!

MotherOfCatBoy · 14/05/2025 12:33

Thank you @AgualusasLover for organising, I loved being able to talk about it. Well up for another.

JaninaDuszejko · 14/05/2025 12:35

It’s the Depardieu TV series that changes their ending - if you can stomach him now he’s been convicted - it actually works quite well. He and Mercedes return to Marseille to live together, and Haydee is wooed by - Albert! Which is actually rather fitting. Much prefer that.

Yeah, that's a better ending for modern taste.

MotherOfCatBoy · 14/05/2025 12:39

🤔 or am I mixing it up with the new film? Anyway the Count and Mercedes definitely stay together. Too many versions!!

FuzzyCaoraDhubh · 14/05/2025 12:57

The revised pairings sound much better, definitely.

Un très grand merci à AgualusasLover
et à tout le monde.
I have enjoyed this readalong very much.

Scatterbugg · 14/05/2025 13:39

Thanks so much for this readalong, I'd not have noticed half the things without all your insightful comments.

I too would've liked him to get with Mercedes. They were only young when he disappeared and expect there'd have been a (young) age but which she'd have been supposed to be married in those days?

In my version Haydee was referred to as his slave. Also problematic!

MonOncle · 14/05/2025 16:20

Also finished last night. I would never have got to the end without the thread! Thank you all for your insights and helping me remember who-was-who 😅. Thanks@AgualusasLover for organising!

I’m not sure it was a 5 star for me, I lost faith with the middle/Rome chapters a bit, but nonetheless very enjoyable and I’m really glad to have read it.

Definitely up for another after a break.

MonOncle · 14/05/2025 16:21

Oh and I also got the ick with the Haydee partnership. So wrong!

CutFlowers · 14/05/2025 19:10

Thank you so much @AgualusasLover for organising. I finished a couple of weeks ago but was wanting to hear everyone's thoughts - it made for a much more interesting read. Also not keen on the Haydee ending but otherwise very much enjoyed. I thought the revenge on Villefort was perhaps the most devastating - using his pride and need for justice against him - but was pleased that it shook the Count himself. My favourite part of the book was probably the beginning section but it all tied together very nicely in the end.

TonTonMacoute · 14/05/2025 19:10

I agree about the uncomfortable romantic pairing of the Count and Haydee, she's much too young. There is a French film with Daniel Auteuil called The Hunchback, a historical romance where our hero ends up in a couple with his much younger adopted daughter, which is similarly icky. Poor Mercedes gets the sticky end of the lollipop, she and Edmond could have lived a wonderful life together in the house in Marseilles and Albert and Haydee would make a good pair.

Thank you to @AgualusasLoverI don't think I would ever have got around to reading this book without this thread, and I have thoroughly enjoyed it. It richly deserves its reputation as a classic.

FuzzyCaoraDhubh · 14/05/2025 19:35

Poor Mercedes gets the sticky end of the lollipop...😄

CornishLizard · 14/05/2025 20:32

I’ve really enjoyed the readalong too, thanks Agualusa and everyone.

I didn’t think the ending with Haydée was satisfying romantically either. Did contemporary readers feel the same? I wondered if it was wounded male pride and Mercedes couldn’t be rewarded after having married someone else. But could even Jane Austen have made Persuasion end so gloriously had Anne been married and widowed in Wentworth’s absence?

Interesting alternative ending with Albert and Haydée. In the book he seemed so much less mature than she, though he grew up quickly at the end.

AgualusasLover · 14/05/2025 22:34

I won’t be finished until the weekend, but have read it before and the Haydee relationship is the thing that has stayed with me. Perhaps the Mercedes things is to do with 19th century mores and her being a fairly recent widow and all the water that has flowed under their bridge - but I associate that sort of thing with Neglish literature rather than French. Not sure why or that it is fair of me to do so, but I do.

I do agree ending up with Mercedes would have been fair more to my taste.

cassandre · 14/05/2025 23:02

I've just finished too. Wow, that was quite a wild ride.

Congrats on your new job, @AgualusasLover , and thanks so much for hosting the read-along! I loved the book and never would have read it on my own; I had no idea I would enjoy Dumas so much.

@CornishLizard I meant to reply before now, but I loved your insight into the importance of memory for Dumas, and the idea that not remembering was in itself a moral failing. As you say, it's significant that Mercedes is the only person who remembers the Count. And the Count's return visit to the Chateau d'If is all about memory as well. I read somewhere (wikipedia?) that Dumas was very upset by Napoleon's failure to remember the loyal military service of Dumas' father, and come to his rescue when he was imprisoned.

Speaking of Mercedes though, I also found the chapter where Mercedes blames herself excruciating to read. Enough with the self-flagellation! She was told that Edmond Dantes was dead FFS! What a depressing model of ideal femininity, the idea that if your fiance dies you should remain single for ever.

I also agree that the Haydee/Count love plot is cringey in modern terms.

@JaninaDuszejko I didn't know that about the Eugenie subplot being cut out of the early English translation; that's fascinating.

I feel as though there was a bit of psychological development in the Count's character; he was slightly more humble at the end, and seemed to have moved away at least slightly from his belief that he was God's Chosen One. I also really didn't expect him to let Danglars escape alive.

The melodrama does last all the way to the end, with the letter informing poor Valentine that by the way, her father is insane and her brother is dead. !!!

I liked the way Morrel's visit to the cave and drug-induced stupor brought back the earlier scene of Franz's hashish trip.

To me, the novel was a lot of fun because it was just so over-the-top in parts. It's as though Dumas never asked himself whether any plot development would be too implausible, too far-fetched or too sentimental. He just let himself go 😂

It's like a 19th c. blockbuster. I would say that it contains a lot of powerful insights into human nature though, despite the sensationalism.

WhichOneIsPosher · 15/05/2025 08:10

I'm really glad I took part in this readalong, what a fantastic novel this is. I was also hoping the Count and Mercedes would get back together but oh, well. Best sections for me were the first third or so, then the Eugenie scenes. Agree Rome was a drag, struggled a bit to keep up at that point.

AgualusasLover · 17/05/2025 16:46

I still need to finish, but have book club on Tuesday and only 36% through that book.

In terms of next read, I have a whizz back through.

Don Quixote, 126 chapters

Tristam Shandy, 9 volumes c. 350 chapters

The Hunchback of Notre Dame, 70 chapters

Middlemarch, 87 chapters and 86 epigraphs

The Brothers Karamazov, 17 ish

A Greater Place of Safety, 361 chapters

Kristin Lavransdatter, 1000 pages, chapters not clear
i don’t know if we would want to commit to the first book or the trilogy

Other Suggestions (listed separately as they are less huge tomes and less discussed previously, but still open for doing so)

  • Shirley
  • The Professor
  • The Tenant of Wildfell Hall
  • The Leopard
  • One Hundred Years of Solitude

I’ve left Les Mis off as I think we have enough support to make that a 1Jan read for 2026.

Would anyone like the lead the next one?

My top 3 choices in no particular order (though am happy to join any of these):

  1. The Brothers Karamazov
  2. Kristin Lavransdatter (totally new to me)
  3. Don Quixote

Propose July start to give us all a break and read other things 😀.

FuzzyCaoraDhubh · 17/05/2025 18:47

I'm happy to go along with any of those three options and would be delighted/grateful/relieved if you would lead the readalong Agua. July is fine too.

Here is a summary of our books to date;

War and Peace
Anna Karenina
Madame Bovary
Ruth
Les Liaisons Dangereuses
The Count of Monte-Cristo.

JaninaDuszejko · 18/05/2025 11:01

Kristin Lavransdatter, 1000 pages, chapters not clear
i don’t know if we would want to commit to the first book or the trilogy

I've checked my copies of the modern Nunnally translation (there's also the contemporary Charles Archer and J.S. Scott translation that has some excisions and has more archaic English in it, whether that is appropriate for a 20th century novel set in the 14th century is debatable). The first book in the trilogy, The Wreath, is 294 pages long in my edition and is split into 3 parts: Jørundgaard, The Wreath and Lavrans Bjørgulfsøn. They have 7, 8 and 8 chapter respectively. So approximately 12 pages a chapter.

JaninaDuszejko · 18/05/2025 11:14

The second book, The Wife, is 400 pages long, also split into 3 parts: The Fruit of Sin, Husaby, Erlend Nikulaussøn, which have 6, 8, and 7 chapters so longer chapters averaging 19 pages.

The the third book, The Cross, is 421 pages, again split into three parts, Honour Among Kin, Debtors and The Cross, which have 6, 8, and 7 chapters so 20 pages per chapter.

MotherOfCatBoy · 18/05/2025 11:21

Definitely in for Les Mis in January.

For the next one. The Leopard would be short and sweet and we could watch the new Netflix.

But I’m also intrigued by Kristin. I had never heard of it before, so just went off and read the Wiki page on it. It sounds fascinating and I would be up for that. I’d never read it otherwise - this is the advantage of group reads, to be more adventurous and unusual than you would on your own.

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