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Looking back to Bridget Jones

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MsAmerica · 03/11/2023 23:43

Bridget Jones Deserved Better. We All Did.
Helen Fielding’s ditzy heroine was all the rage when she was introduced to American audiences in 1998. Today, her nuttiness and self-loathing read like a relic from another time.
By Elisabeth Egan

Before we tackle the question of whether “Bridget Jones’s Diary” is even remotely amusing in today’s post-Roe, #MeToo, politically polarized world, let’s turn the page back to the summer of 1998, when Publishers Weekly declared, “It’s hard to imagine a funnier book appearing anywhere this year.” Fielding’s British publisher told British Vogue, it’s “not just a book phenomenon, it’s a phenomenon. Like ‘Catch-22,’ it’s gone into the language.”

In her New York Times review, Elizabeth Gleick wrote, “People will be passing around copies of ‘Bridget Jones’s Diary’ for a reason: It captures neatly the way modern women teeter between ‘I am woman’ independence and a pathetic girlie desire to be all things to all men.”...

She was the toast of book clubs, the subject of editorials, a lightning rod for morning-show debate and fodder for late-night comedy. Some readers were charmed by Bridget Jones; others were disgusted.

“Bridget is such a sorry spectacle, wallowing in her man-crazed helplessness, that her foolishness cannot be excused,” Alex Kuczynski wrote in a Times column headlined “Dear Diary: Get Real.” She disliked that the book made “humor out of the premise that being neurotic is cute. That women eat too much. That we succumb to the lure of too many cocktails. That if we don’t enjoy our jobs, we just stick around and, heck, sleep with the boss (who never calls us back).”

For the whole article:

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/30/books/review/bridget-joness-diary-helen-fielding.html

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Gwenhwyfar · 02/12/2023 13:43

"Yes, the class element of the films never seems to be mentioned. Bridget is definitely a girl from a naice family in the Home Counties!"

Yes. I didn't get it so clearly in the book, but the accent in the film showed it more.
There was also a suggestion that she was under skilled/qualified for her job. As a north Walian I was quite insulted by how they said Bango uni was shit and I don't think it's that awful to not know where Germany was, but it was never very clear how she'd got such a dream job while also being so ditzy.

faffadoodledo · 02/12/2023 13:51

Well I lived it. When it came out I was suffering from morning sickness and marooned in a strange part of America. I gobbled it up for its Britishness and the life of a singleton working in the media which I had myself just left behind.

I wonder if that critic is as po-faced about Jane Austen's heroines? Literature becomes anachronistic very quickly, apart from the obvious universal elements - which crop up in both Austen and Fielding's work.

LifeofBrienne · 02/12/2023 13:54

Squiblet · 01/12/2023 07:01

Argh - it always frustrates me when people misinterpret Bridget Jones (the novel, not the film).

The character is always beating herself up for being stupid, overweight, etc. But Helen Fielding makes it clear that she's actually quite clever & witty, and also thin. She even puts her actual weight in the diary entries to show us that Bridget has been brainwashed by cultural expectations into thinking she's fat when she's really not. (There's a great passage where BJ realises she has managed to convince herself that eating any kind of food at all is a lapse of willpower.)

Readers tend to take the character at her word and assume Fielding is taking the piss out of a silly young woman. Really she's showing us how societal expectations, and male privilege, undermine young women to the point where they make bad decisions.

That passage is one of my absolute favourite bits from the book!

The book’s not perfect, because although clearly Bridget isn’t stupid, there are times when her actions, which are often ditzy, don’t match her inner voice which is smart and funny.

I wasn’t a huge fan of the film because although it was quite fun in itself, it lost all the wry wit of the book.

Needmorelego · 02/12/2023 13:55

@Gwenhwyfar Bridget was from a village in Northamptonshire.

faffadoodledo · 02/12/2023 13:56

I meant loved it. Too late to edit!

Gwenhwyfar · 02/12/2023 13:58

Needmorelego · 02/12/2023 13:55

@Gwenhwyfar Bridget was from a village in Northamptonshire.

And? Did I say she wasn't?

Scruffington · 02/12/2023 14:04

mrsnjw · 01/12/2023 15:01

Who was sexually harassed? Have I erased a large section of the film from my memory? BJ was more than up for flirting with Daniel.

Bridget by the Fitzherbert/Tits Pervert guy.

Needmorelego · 02/12/2023 14:21

@Gwenhwyfar sorry I tagged you by accident 🙂 Apologies.
I was responding to the comment you made about someone else saying she was very "home counties".

Gwenhwyfar · 02/12/2023 14:24

Needmorelego · 02/12/2023 14:21

@Gwenhwyfar sorry I tagged you by accident 🙂 Apologies.
I was responding to the comment you made about someone else saying she was very "home counties".

Ok. I was quoting someone else whose main point was that she was a bit posh. I don't think it makes a huge difference if she's from the home counties or Northamptonshire.

Needmorelego · 02/12/2023 14:26

@Gwenhwyfar what what I know of the village it is considered a "nice" village 😂
It's near where some relatives live - but I have never actually been there.

JaninaDuszejko · 02/12/2023 14:35

Well as I said, she could also be medium. We really don't know her size as her height is left out deliberately.

But her weight is so low at the start of the first book (9st 3lb) she'd have to be below 5ft to be in the overweight range. It's quite obvious in the book she's a healthy weight. Doesn't the last book have her at the same weight but happy with her appearance because she'd finally grown up? The film got a lot wrong although obviously it's a fun watch.

RedRosie · 02/12/2023 14:56

I'm about the same age as the fictional Bridget, live in London and had a vaguely similar sort of life, friends and concerns I guess, at that time anyway. I loved it at the time and still do - as it was relatable then and is nostalgic now.

It's a long time ago and of course things have changed - we all have!

Squiblet · 02/12/2023 15:30

The book’s not perfect, because although clearly Bridget isn’t stupid, there are times when her actions, which are often ditzy, don’t match her inner voice which is smart and funny.

True but that's not really a flaw. PG Wodehouse does the exact same thing with Bertie Wooster, and it's part of what makes his books so funny. The disjunction between a character's thoughts and their actions is a rich seam for novelists.

We've all been in that situation where we look back and think "why TF did i do that!?" - and Bridget is just that magnified by 100.

Ofa · 02/12/2023 16:28

The Bridget Jones books were satire and were hilarious. You’re supposed to laugh at Bridget, and at Daniel, and even at Mark Darcy.

The film rewrote the plot for Americans, took itself seriously, and was shit as a result.

Needmorelego · 02/12/2023 16:32

@Ofa the Daniel vs Mark fight scene in the film is pretty hilarious though.

lljkk · 03/12/2023 12:17

Is Adrian Mole satire too? Is that why I couldn't get it?

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