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Books for the intelligent woman with the flu, please!

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clowniform · 26/08/2023 17:19

The subject line is a quote attributed to Eva Ibbotson, on her own novels. I've also turned to Persephone, Dean St Press, Greyladies, Girls Gone By etc. for this kind of thing in the past, but would welcome some newer recommendations. Doesn't need to be totally Disney or fluffy but nothing too depressing either, please (think early vs late Barbara Pym).

Any genre, although my brain can't handle too many plot threads or literary fireworks at the moment (Shardlake fine, Dunnett or Mantel no). Conversely, non-fiction will need to have some kind of consistent narrative voice because I tend to zone out of anything too bitty.

Have just finished a run of Murderbot, Susan Scarletts and Andrew Taylors, and it's too soon to reread Austen/Pratchett/Slough House, if that gives any more indication of my tastes!

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Daisymay2 · 30/08/2023 10:52

aJ Cronin The Citadel- book about GP in the welsh valleys in the 1930s which helped focus minds on the founding of on the NHS.
Vita Sackville West All Passion Spent
winifred Holding South Riding

clowniform · 30/08/2023 10:59

FKATondelayo · 30/08/2023 10:39

Oh really? I don't know anything about that (or indeed writers' lives in general). Someone recommended Seven Sisters to me and I loved it - I never would have chosen it in a million years. It is very bitchy true but I find bitchiness soothing when I'm ill.

I haven't read it yet but there was a radio version of Stella Gibbons' Nightingale Wood on BBC Sounds recently and that might be what you are looking for - witty, romantic and charming.

@FKATondelayo I usually prefer to read without biographical distractions too but found this out when I happened to be reading both of them at the same time and finding the sister relationships distractingly dysfunctional (Byatt's Frederica quartet, can't recall the Drabble)

Gibbons is one of my favourites. I've read NW but would definitely enjoy an adaptation, thank you!

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clowniform · 30/08/2023 11:15

Thanks all for the kind literary ministrations, and apologies if I'm coming across as unbearably picky -- I have ordered enough books that postie is already joke-groaning...

Not sure of the etiquette around shelfies here but here's a current stack anyway to lazily simply illustrate my current comfort zone

Books for the intelligent woman with the flu, please!
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LadyPeterWimsey · 30/08/2023 12:01

@clowniform

Ah, well, Le Carré is very plotty. I do like A Murder of Quality, and it is a bit more of a straightforward crime story, a bit like Call for the Dead. Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy is not too long, though, and is absolutely cracking.

Dick Francis basically wrote the same book over and over again (you can see the formula begin to creak in the later novels) so if you like one, there's a good chance you might like them all, and if you read the first few chapters and don't enjoy them, then they are probably not for you.

I would go for Nerve if you want an early jockey one, but my favourites are Reflex (jockey photographer), Flying Finish (jockey pilot), High Stakes (horse-owning inventor) or The Danger (kidnapping in the horsey world). And be warned, they can be a little brutal - but they are very pacey, and such easy reads.

Have you ever read The Swish of the Curtain? It's a children's book, but oh so satisfying, even as an adult. I Capture the Castle? I came to that later in life but what a pleasure.

Susan Hill's Simon Serrailler off-beat police procedurals? I've enjoyed Jane Casey's Maeve Kerrigan books if you fancy something straightforward.

May I recommend again Mary Stewart's mid century romances - plucky girl finds a mystery in a beautiful setting? She writes with a marvellous sense of place. Someone on MN suggested them to me, and I ripped through them.

Oh! Lois McMaster Bujold! Please tell me you have read her sci-fi, because if not you must start Shards of Honor immediately. Well-written, lovely characters, not too much world-building, and not at all demanding.

Hbh17 · 30/08/2023 12:23

I would second Nancy Mitford and also the Cazalet series.
"Diary of a Provincial Lady" by EM Delafield is very funny.
"South Riding" by Winnifred Holtbu is a good read.

For something more meaty, how about "Magpie Murders" by Anthony Horowitz?

Mirabai · 30/08/2023 12:34

Fun fact: Margaret Drabble left Eliz Jane Howard out of the 1985 edition of Oxford Companion to English literature. Meow.

I bet more people read the Cazalets now than Summer Bird Cage.

Mirabai · 30/08/2023 12:36

I really like Eliz Bowen but I’ve never managed to get through The Hotel - how did you get on?

Shakenbutbarelystirred · 30/08/2023 12:39

John Buchan? 39 steps if you haven't read that, and then the Dickson McGunn ones.

Father Brown? They are quite different to the TV series!

Terpsichore · 30/08/2023 13:43

Now that’s what I call a shelfie, @clowniform. I loved Business as Usual - and if you’re a fan of epistolary novels, I Lost My Girlish Laughter is good fun: ‘Jane Allen’ (a nom de plume for Silvia Schulman) wrote it as a lightly-fictionalised account of working for a Hollywood mogul in the 1930s.

Very glad to see the immortal Betty MacDonald in there. Just a thought but have you read Gwen Raverat’s charming Period Piece?

FKATondelayo · 30/08/2023 13:56

Mirabai · 30/08/2023 12:34

Fun fact: Margaret Drabble left Eliz Jane Howard out of the 1985 edition of Oxford Companion to English literature. Meow.

I bet more people read the Cazalets now than Summer Bird Cage.

You guys have now sent me down a Byatt/Drabble wiki-hole FFS!
My favourite literary sisters remain Jackie/Joan and the Mitfords (disclaimer: not all).

LadyofLansallos · 30/08/2023 14:33

clowniform · 29/08/2023 20:17

Aiken is another of my childhood favourites (even possibly the root of my liking for Stuart-set or AU fiction more generally??) but afraid I swerve all Austen-likes even when in raging full health (except Clueless).

they are not just Austen likes!

Try Morningquest, maybe Deception, or some of her gothic romances or her gothic horrors?

Morred · 30/08/2023 18:07

clowniform · 30/08/2023 10:25

Share your love of Godden and actually it's Goudge's adult books I have yet to try! Particular favourites?

You do have to be a particular frame of mind for her adult ones. I didn’t get on with The Middle Window.

I’d recommend the Cathedral trilogy and the Eliot series (which is a little bit like if the Cazalets were written by someone who actually liked people and wanted them to have happy endings - perfect for when you’re ill).

JaneyGee · 30/08/2023 18:28

Last time I had the flu I listened to Stephen Fry read Sherlock Holmes and P. G. Wodehouse – bliss!

How about Evelyn Waugh and Edward St Aubyn? Both superb stylists, both very funny.

Antony Powell's Dance to the Music of Time?

For what it's worth, I'll give you my go-to books for when I'm ill or sad:

Patrick Leigh Fermor: A Time of Gifts
Jane Austen: Pride and Prejudice
Dickens: David Copperfield (I prefer it to Great Expectations)
Evelyn Waugh: Decline and Fall
Aldous Huxley: Chrome Yellow
Bill Bryson: A Short History of Nearly Everything
George Orwell: Coming Up For Air
Betjeman: Collected Poems
Anthony Burgess: Enderby

TragicMuse · 30/08/2023 18:28

Dorothy Whipple? I love her.

If you like golden age detective fiction you need to hunt down ECR Lorac/Carol Carnac, and Christianna Brand (yes, she also wrote Nurse Matilda).

For literate chick lit I'd recommend Melissa Nathan. Some are Austen retellings and no less for all that.

Also Jane Johnson. I enjoyed The Tenth Gift.

Jane Gardam - lovely!!

The historicals by Sarah Dunant. Sacred Hearts is great.

Barbara Trapido - Brother of the more famous Jack.

Joseph O'Connor - star of the sea.

Sebastian Barry - The Secret Scripture

If you like ballet then Lorna Hill's Wells books are a huge favourite of mine. And seconding The Swish of the Curtain by Pamela Brown.

I like Maureen Johnson. She's great fun, exciting, and funny.

Any of these grab you?!

anythinginapinch · 30/08/2023 18:35

Love loads of these and would add the wool trilogy. It's SF but set on Earth and absolutely riveting page turning well-written. Hugh Howey.

TimeforaGandT · 30/08/2023 18:49

Recent one-offs that I have read which might fit the bill:

Trespasses - Louise Kennedy
A Terrible Kindness - Jo Browning Wroe

I second A Gentleman in Moscow.

One of my favourite Dick Francis books is For Kicks (an early one so a little dated but quite short)

LydiaGwilt · 30/08/2023 21:01

You might like Jude Morgan - he's written a couple of very witty Regency novels - 'Indiscretion' and 'An Accomplished Woman' (also some good biographical fiction about the Brontes. the Romantic poets, Berlioz, Charles 1).

PersisFord · 30/08/2023 21:34

They are children's books but if you.like Lissa Evans I think you would like The Skylarks' War and The Swallows' Flight by Hilary McKay. Blissful.

I also love Louise Penny books - murder mysteries set in Quebec. You have to read them in order, Still Life is first.

Glad to see so many of my favourites mentioned!

clowniform · 01/09/2023 10:22

Shakenbutbarelystirred · 29/08/2023 21:18

The Edmund Crispin detective books are Golden Age-ish (Gervase Fen is the detective). How do you feel about the 'Miss Read' books - they are good with the flu, I find!
Barbara Willard's Mantelmass series (best to read in order, I think the first 2 are the best)

Geoffrey Trease? Cynthia Harnett?

Non fiction I adore 'How to be a Tudor' by Ruth Goodman

Thank you so much, I have made a start on Crispin and Miss Read and must go see which are up next.
Willard, Trease, Harnett: where were you when I were a specky kid with ONE fellow bookish friend (who didn't like historicals) eh??? V. envious you still have these to hand.
I do like Ruth Goodman on the telly, will track this down :)

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clowniform · 01/09/2023 11:14

Mirabai · 30/08/2023 12:34

Fun fact: Margaret Drabble left Eliz Jane Howard out of the 1985 edition of Oxford Companion to English literature. Meow.

I bet more people read the Cazalets now than Summer Bird Cage.

😮The cheek!
And ha! Summer bird cage was the Drabble I happened to be reading alongside Byatt's Frederica

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clowniform · 01/09/2023 11:15

Daisymay2 · 30/08/2023 10:52

aJ Cronin The Citadel- book about GP in the welsh valleys in the 1930s which helped focus minds on the founding of on the NHS.
Vita Sackville West All Passion Spent
winifred Holding South Riding

Have read all these and love Holtby in particular, excellent recs.

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clowniform · 01/09/2023 11:26

LadyPeterWimsey · 30/08/2023 12:01

@clowniform

Ah, well, Le Carré is very plotty. I do like A Murder of Quality, and it is a bit more of a straightforward crime story, a bit like Call for the Dead. Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy is not too long, though, and is absolutely cracking.

Dick Francis basically wrote the same book over and over again (you can see the formula begin to creak in the later novels) so if you like one, there's a good chance you might like them all, and if you read the first few chapters and don't enjoy them, then they are probably not for you.

I would go for Nerve if you want an early jockey one, but my favourites are Reflex (jockey photographer), Flying Finish (jockey pilot), High Stakes (horse-owning inventor) or The Danger (kidnapping in the horsey world). And be warned, they can be a little brutal - but they are very pacey, and such easy reads.

Have you ever read The Swish of the Curtain? It's a children's book, but oh so satisfying, even as an adult. I Capture the Castle? I came to that later in life but what a pleasure.

Susan Hill's Simon Serrailler off-beat police procedurals? I've enjoyed Jane Casey's Maeve Kerrigan books if you fancy something straightforward.

May I recommend again Mary Stewart's mid century romances - plucky girl finds a mystery in a beautiful setting? She writes with a marvellous sense of place. Someone on MN suggested them to me, and I ripped through them.

Oh! Lois McMaster Bujold! Please tell me you have read her sci-fi, because if not you must start Shards of Honor immediately. Well-written, lovely characters, not too much world-building, and not at all demanding.

ADORE the Vorkosigan saga (most often reread is A Civil Campaign, ofc). What do you think of her fantasy? I remember attempting but finding them a bit po-faced, but many years ago.

I Capture the Castle is an all-time favourite (alas, no other Dodie measures up, though readable). Enjoyed Swish, but I came to that one late and so admired more than adored.

Thank you so much for the other (new-to-me) suggestions, it's always reassuring to be guided by someone with similar tastes.

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Insommmmnia · 01/09/2023 11:28

The British library has a series of 1920s to 1960s books by lesser known women authors out

Pallisers · 01/09/2023 12:03

The Blue Castle by LM Montgomery
The Women in Black by Madeline St John is just lovely
Morningside Heights by Cheryl Mendelson (not sure if it is published in the UK but probably on kindle - there are 2 others in this series)
Pineapple Street by Jenny Jackson is a recent one that would work
If you love Trollope, try Miss Marjoribanks by Margaret Oliphant.

Sometimes I look through the list of Virago novels for ideas of what to read next.

Pallisers · 01/09/2023 12:06

Oh Insomniaaa reminded me - I read one of those british library books and it was just great - Strange Journey by Maud Cairns.

Also An Uncommon Reader by Alan Bennett is lovely.