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Arlington Park - What a great big pile of crap, worst book I have had the misfortune to pick up in a long long time

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Oliveoil · 30/01/2008 10:08

One of my NY resolutions is to read more books (now that dd2 seems to realise - at 3.6yrs!!! - that at bedtime she REMAINS in her bed in the evening) and I have been doing just that

well

Arlington Park

I forced myself to get to the end

what an obnoxious moaning bunch of women

I do not know ANYBODY like this, it makes out motherhood and relationships to be crap

yes you may have the odd day when you could easily headbutt the wall, but purlease

hated the writing style and skimmed it over and over again

anybody want it FFP? before I lob it out of the window?

OP posts:
bundle · 30/01/2008 22:59

it's SHOCKINGLY BAD olive
did you not read my warning about it?

NKF · 30/01/2008 22:59

I think she'd written at least three novels and a book about motherhood.

toomanydaves · 30/01/2008 22:59

Arse, why didn't I see this earlier? I have important things to say on the subject.
here they are.

I think RC is a great stylist, a great writer of prose. I think that opening of AP is fantastic. It rains like that all the time in Bristol, incessantly, greyly. I totally abhor her world view though or the things she writes about. As for men murdering their wives, I mean fark off. She is like that as a person as well, very standoffish and alienated. I knew her a bit when she lived in Bristol.

I loved A life's work, despite its preciousness. I thought it was very honest, and very funny. And I think this sentence. "When I am with them (the children) I am not myself. WHen I am without them I am not myself" was true, for me.

A hundredtimes is right about everything.

GRace Paley, now, there is a writer of immense generosity.

UnquietDad · 30/01/2008 23:03

Here's the Mosse-ography

Two novels and two non-fiction books before "Labyrinth".

It's quite brave to change style and genre mid-career - agents often um and ah about it and start to mention psuedonyms.

toomanydaves · 30/01/2008 23:08

UQD, who are you? Can we play guess? I know lots of people know who you are but I AM DYING TO KNOW. And you 100x. I am writer too, but todally todally unknown, although it is my day job and I am earning from it.

NKF · 30/01/2008 23:10

TMD - do you write fiction?

toomanydaves · 30/01/2008 23:11

Am writing kids' book but mainly write for the theatre, darling.

UnquietDad · 30/01/2008 23:12

Just for myself, I don't want this thread sidelined into a "guess who I am" game again - people get pissed off when that happens! Anyone who CATs me, I will tell.

toomanydaves · 30/01/2008 23:13

Arse, I haven't signed up and worldpay is down. Will try again tomorrow. My curiosity makes the 5 squid worth it.

Anna8888 · 31/01/2008 08:56

"When I am with them (the children) I am not myself. When I am without them I am not myself."

Toomanydaves - it is interesting to know that someone can relate to that sentence.

I can't relate to it at all. For me, the feeling has always been "Now that I have her (my daughter), I am at last totally myself - whether or not I am with her".

toomanydaves · 31/01/2008 09:46

good for you Anna. Not true for me.

Judy1234 · 31/01/2008 10:38

It's a pretty miserable sentence. I am myself at work in meetings if the children aren't with me. I also feel myself reading them a bed time story.

Perhaps for a new mother she's describing the process of getting used to your life being changed by having a child.

Lazycow · 31/01/2008 11:01

Xenia. that is how I see it. My lfe was changed so dramatically by having ds that the sentence did apply to me for the first year or so. I was just someone so different afterwards I didn't know who I was really and didn't feel me at all.

Things have improved now because I've adjusted but it took some time. now I would say I am myself both with and without ds but for about a year after he was born this was definitely not so.

lululemonrefuser · 31/01/2008 11:26

I think it really articulates a period of time after the birth of your first child when you really don't know who you are any more. And that it changes you forever too.

RosJ · 31/01/2008 11:35

wow, I just reread the thread (avoiding finishing PhD chapter) and i can't believe how personal it got about Rachel Cusk. I feel the need to defend her...

To be fair-the "servants" comment was a bit tongue in cheek-she wrote about employing people to look after her baby at home-i don't think they were qualified nannies or child minders-and then complained that some of them weren't very good, and demanded basic employment rights (I haven't checked the book-its back in the library!) Its employing non-professionals to childmind and then the moaning about them that got my back up, not employing someone as such.

mrsgaskell · 05/02/2008 21:07

I've read about half of this thread And I'm probably too late and nobody will ever read my entry but I coudln't let this go: Firstly, if the book were really so rubbish, would it generate such a lively debate?

Secondly, I can't help but think that olive oil totally misses the point. Cusk clearly feels real ambivalence towards these souless bourgeois women, who've sacrificed so much of themselves, their dreams, in order to maintain the superficial status quo; and who've staked their happiness on material goods, smart houses, big safe cars and mixing with people who think exactly like they do.

This is social satire as its most seering. Cusk is, in my view, one of our most important chroniclers of modern life, one of the few women writers interested in writing an often unpalatable version of the truth. Of course, her technique - apparent both in her hysterical figurative language and her almost surgically precise use of imagery - but also in her grotesque character creatiions - is to emphasise and exaggerate. But I recognise this world, this middle class enclave: white, scared, gated, monied. And these are the objects of Cusk's satire.

Rachel Cusk's personal choices are entirely irrelevant to her work. Also, how are you supposed to write a novel unless you have childcare?

Those of you who didn't like A Life's Work because it didn't reflect your exact experience of childhood, what are you doing on this site? Do you think the squillion mumsnet users are all enjoying early motherhood? Are you going to go and slag off those posters who are having a terrible time and writing about it. Cusk has a gift of eloquence beyond the normal: thank GOD she wrote that book which I know has actually stopped people going mad who've had a baby and found themselves lost, miserable. Credit to her for making it so funny. That book is hilarious. So many people on this thread obviously have no sense of humour.

Olive oil - the richard & judy list awaits you, with its balmy mix of sentimentality and melodrama - conjoined twins, murders, fake histories, far flung countries where magical exotic dramas take place. The shops are full of books for you. I prefer my fiction to try to show me the truth about my life, the world I'm living in and to help me along the thorny, morally ambiguous path towards trying to be a 'good enough mother'.

UnquietDad · 06/02/2008 17:43

"how are you supposed to write a novel unless you have childcare"

LOL LOL LOL

Some writers, even some who are published novelists, have these things called "daytime jobs", you see. They find themselves needing to do them in order to pay the mortgage/rent/ grocery bill. This is because writing pays a pittance. They write in the evenings after the children have gone to bed, or at the weekend while a long-suffering partner takes them out/entertains them!

mrsgaskell · 06/02/2008 21:44

Sorry. I'm going to rephrase that. 'How is a woman supposed to write unless she has childcare?'

How published are you anyway? And why are you so weird and cagey about it?

lululemonrefuser · 06/02/2008 21:54

"This is because writing pays a pittance. "

Well, stop writing then, if it's so bloody awful!

Look, either do it for the love of it, or don't bother. Unless one writes computer manuals or Mills&Boon I can't imagine there are many writers out there doing it for the money. Getting lucky with the royalties & the movie deals is just that, in most cases - being in the right place at the right time, with the right zeitgeist (as Harry Potter proves).

If the problem is feeling that publishers are taking writers for a ride, get a better agent and negotiate harder!

MrsGaskell, I liked your critique.

mrsgaskell · 06/02/2008 22:04

Thanks lulu. Have you paid money to find out who that guy really is?

UnquietDad · 07/02/2008 09:49

mrs g - in what way am I "weird and cagey" about it? I protect my anonymity no more assiduously than anybody else on here. I talk (and moan) about my job no more than anyone else on here. But surely you see that if I were to, for example, post a link to my website on here (which I could easily do) I'd lose the anonymity which so many people on here value. I'm a bit about the implication that I'm not entitled to mine.

lulu - you have the wrong end of the stick, really. You say you can't imagine there are many writers out there "doing it for the money". My emphasis is that there are an awful lot of writers out there, but not many managing to do it as a career. There are loads of how-to books telling you how to start off, but almost nothing telling you how to sustain it. Why should writers be any less entitled than anyone else to try and make a long-term go of it? The expectation that professional writers should be happy to earn little - and even work for nothing, which I have often been requested to do - is one which would not be tolerated by electricians, plumbers or bricklayers.

UnquietDad · 07/02/2008 09:59

And I think a lot of people would take issue with the implication that women "need childcare" in order to write, whereas of course men don't.

mrsgaskell · 08/02/2008 15:17

The difference is, we need electricians, plumbers and bricklayers. The truth is, there are more mediocre writers writing books than are required. We could happily live with a tenth of the output of British publishing - agreed? There is an economic reality to writing. If 2000 people show up and pay eight quid a go for a book and you're on a ten percent royalty, do you think you should be paid beyond that real value? Are publishers actually funding bodies? I don't think so.

On another note, you aren't anonymous are you, because I could email and find out who you are.

But my bigger question is, if you can only write in these precious hours, after work and after the children are in bed, why on earth do you spunk so many words on a message board?

Clarinet60 · 15/02/2008 22:56

I've liked Rachel's writing for years and totally 'got' the antiheroines in Arlington Park. You have to view it with a dystopian, almost sci-fi head on really, and I thought it was an interesting and disquieting study of a certain type of woman. A bit Fay Weldon fantasy-ish.

I saw her at a literary festival recently and she was friendly and gregarious, not standoffish at all, although I'll concede that this may have been a one-off. I was impressed with how at ease she was in everyone's company.

Clarinet60 · 15/02/2008 22:59

mrsgaskell!

I'm always ed at the amount of vitriol Rachel Cusk evokes. I thought A Life's Work was just one side of things - ones woman's experience. I didn't read it as a 'how-to' manual, more as a memoir, a biography - which was what it was intended to be. Love wasn't mentioned much, which was a shame, but it was still interesting.