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*SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS INK BLACK HEART *SPOILERS*

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TheInkBlackHeart · 31/08/2022 10:34

Right I hope the title gives it away. Spoilers ahoy after / during reading Galbraith's The Ink Black Heart.

I swear if someone complains about spoilers now I'll lose it Grin

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ReneBumsWombats · 14/10/2022 15:15

I also liked the way Matthew and Robin show how a couple stay together long after they should, ironically because Matthew was trying not to be an arsehole by dumping her when she was traumatised, but it just led to him being an even bigger arsehole in the long term. I don't like him - he's weak, shallow and dishonest - but I do sort of see how he ended up blundering along that path and fucking up so badly.

It's a very good demonstration of how a married man might take on with an OW, and they might well actually be better suited to each other, but it doesn't mean there's anything wrong with the wife or that it was her fault. Robin is worth ten of either Matthew or Sarah!

lbnblbnb · 16/10/2022 21:27

I read TIBH as soon as it came out (on Audible) and then went back to the beginning and listened to all the novels again, in order.

Loved it, the character of Robin is developed so well. In the first book, she buys wedding magazines in her lunch break. To the new office door glass in this one.

I love Pat.

I have all the novels in a Collection/ list on my Audible app and have renamed it ‘Robin’ instead of Strike. I remember seeing a diagram JKR did of all the HP books, right at the beginning of writing them, and feel like she must have mapped out Robin’s development in a similar way.

The exploration of incel culture and the online world - so good. I teach teenagers - every one of them has seen Andrew Tate etc. ugh.

Really want the next one ASAP!

EdieLedwell · 16/10/2022 22:51

Also, I loved, loved, loved Robert Glenister's characterisation of Nils. Such a good little scene between Nils and Robin. It was so vivid.

OrianaBanana · 17/10/2022 12:23

It did make me laugh when Strike completely dismissed a large swathe of suspects at the beginning (never to be heard of again) because they had jobs 😆

I do sometimes find myself using the term ‘lonelik and borkled’ from time to time too

IndominusRex · 17/10/2022 15:26

Did anyone join in with JKR’s we chat on Saturday? She answered a fair few questions - it was really interesting to read.

BorkledDrek · 17/10/2022 16:32

@OrianaBanana I often find myself saying that too 😆

soulinablackberrypie · 19/10/2022 19:09

May I join in? I've just read this (for the first time - I do want to re-read parts) and have lots of thoughts.

I didn't see the killer's identity coming at all. Looking back, I don't think I would ever have sussed the blink-and-miss-it dog clue, but I'm surprised I didn't make the connection between his skin condition and his MO. I guessed the killer in The Silkworm quite early on for that sort of reason.

Early on I thought Grant and/or Heather might have had something to do with it - I suppose just because it was relatively unlikely and I didn't warm to them. It was kind of satisfying to me that although I was wrong, it did come back to them near the end and Grant had something that helped them crack the case.

I thought there were interesting parallels between Strike and Bram. They both lost their mothers in similar circumstances and had lived in chaotic households. Bram had an at least nominally stable and present father figure (weird, but less bullying than Jago or Inigo), and yet seemed considerably more fucked up than Strike, which to me just highlighted how much Strike had done on his own to improve his life. I wonder if Bram will pop up again in another book and be shown either getting help and turning things around or descending into grown-up crime.

I really liked Flavia and Rachel. I kind of was Rachel, and can well imagine that having access to online communities would have been both a blessing and a curse.

I didn't really get why the cartoon was seen as ablist. The book itself, arguably, in the treatment of people like Kea with hidden or hard-to-define disabilities. But the cartoon, I'm not so sure. Being a person missing a body part is obviously a disability, but would you call being a body part missing a person a disability? He's arguably more able than most disembodied body parts, since he can get around on his own. I mean I know the people making that accusation are meant to be trolls and wrong, but it's difficult to see how the idea gained traction.

Oh, and to the person who asked if anyone thought Pez was sexy - he wasn't quite my type, but I found him likeable and was glad he wasn't the killer. More to the point, I think Robin found him sexy to some extent, and it was a sign of her continued recovery/liberation. She's still only experienced sex with Matt and the rapist, hasn't she? I sort of feel that she might end up having considerate, reassuring sex with Ryan for a while, then be able to contemplate bad-boy, throwaway sex with someone like Pez, who would presumably not be heartbroken if it turned out to be only a fling.

SirSamVimesCityWatch · 19/10/2022 20:16

I didn't see the killer's identity coming either, @soulinablackberrypie but then I very rarely do! I'm useless at reading for clues 😂

I thought the "cartoon as ableist" might have been a JKR piss-take of some of the shit she's had thrown at her in recent years - like the goblins in Harry Potter being antisemitic etc. Plus the general online hysteria that is so easily whipped up by virtue signalling and purity spirals. Actually, thinking about it, I think she has been accused of ableism within Harry Potter because of Peter Pettigrew being a baddie + having a missing finger, and later hand - maybe it's reflecting that lunacy?!

I definitely think the purpose of the Pez character was for Robin to experience a sense of physical desire that was completely separate from the complex, deeper feelings she has for Strike (and had to some degree for Matthew at one point). I think Pez has opened her up to the possibility of a fling, and I think that might be what she's looking for from Ryan - I don't think she's looking for someone to marry and I think to a degree she's looking for someone to take her mind off Strike.

soulinablackberrypie · 19/10/2022 20:43

I think she has been accused of ableism within Harry Potter because of Peter Pettigrew being a baddie + having a missing finger, and later hand

And the bad guy who was impersonating a man with (oh!) one leg? - although the real man with one leg was OK.

That reminds me - with two wheelchair users in this book (maybe three, if the young man seen briefly at the comic con wasn't Morehouse), it occurred to me that when Strike was injured he could very sensibly have done surveillance in a wheelchair. Wheelchair users often say nobody ever notices them. He could have just pulled on a woolly hat over his distinctive hair and I bet he could have sat outside the commune all day and nobody would have thought anything of it.

Good points re Pez as sexual awakening.

ReneBumsWombats · 19/10/2022 21:04

I think she has been accused of ableism within Harry Potter because of Peter Pettigrew being a baddie + having a missing finger, and later hand

They're getting desperate, aren't they? Pettigrew cut off his own finger and it was a key plot point in faking his own death. Mad Eye Moody had one eye and one leg and was a total badass. Bill got mauled by Fenrir...disfigurement rather than disability, I guess, but as Fleur said, it only shows his bravery. Lupin's condition could perhaps be seen as a disability; Rowling has said he represents the stigma of people with HIV/AIDS.

Oh, what tangled webs we weave, when first we start to look for bullshit reasons to attack J K Rowling.

babyjellyfish · 20/10/2022 09:43

I thought the "cartoon as ableist" might have been a JKR piss-take of some of the shit she's had thrown at her in recent years - like the goblins in Harry Potter being antisemitic etc. Plus the general online hysteria that is so easily whipped up by virtue signalling and purity spirals. Actually, thinking about it, I think she has been accused of ableism within Harry Potter because of Peter Pettigrew being a baddie + having a missing finger, and later hand - maybe it's reflecting that lunacy?!

The reason she has been accused of ableism and antisemitism is because she is JK Rowling, and people are now combing through books she wrote 25 years ago to find "evidence" that she has always been a hateful bigot.

I absolutely LOVE the fact that she wrote a story about a cartoon which is criticised by woke idiots on Twitter for being ableist, correctly predicting that people who hadn't read the book would criticise it on Twitter for being ableist. I also love the fact that the Pen of Justice turns out to be a nonce and the murderer turns out to be a smelly incel who lives in his mum's basement. Tell us what you really think of your detractors, JK! Don't hold back!

ReneBumsWombats · 20/10/2022 09:51

The first Strike book I read was Troubled Blood, and I read it because a load of people who hadn't were spitting blood about how transphobic it was.

I wasn't sure what to expect, but after all that, I really hadn't been expecting there to be no trans character in it.

ReneBumsWombats · 20/10/2022 09:53

babyjellyfish · 20/10/2022 09:43

I thought the "cartoon as ableist" might have been a JKR piss-take of some of the shit she's had thrown at her in recent years - like the goblins in Harry Potter being antisemitic etc. Plus the general online hysteria that is so easily whipped up by virtue signalling and purity spirals. Actually, thinking about it, I think she has been accused of ableism within Harry Potter because of Peter Pettigrew being a baddie + having a missing finger, and later hand - maybe it's reflecting that lunacy?!

The reason she has been accused of ableism and antisemitism is because she is JK Rowling, and people are now combing through books she wrote 25 years ago to find "evidence" that she has always been a hateful bigot.

I absolutely LOVE the fact that she wrote a story about a cartoon which is criticised by woke idiots on Twitter for being ableist, correctly predicting that people who hadn't read the book would criticise it on Twitter for being ableist. I also love the fact that the Pen of Justice turns out to be a nonce and the murderer turns out to be a smelly incel who lives in his mum's basement. Tell us what you really think of your detractors, JK! Don't hold back!

Yes, that made me laugh. She is so funny. I won't give any spoilers, but we also learn a lot about what she thinks of some people in The Silkworm. I properly lolled.

babyjellyfish · 20/10/2022 09:59

ReneBumsWombats · 20/10/2022 09:51

The first Strike book I read was Troubled Blood, and I read it because a load of people who hadn't were spitting blood about how transphobic it was.

I wasn't sure what to expect, but after all that, I really hadn't been expecting there to be no trans character in it.

Yes, that Telegraph review claiming that "the moral of the story appears to be never trust a man in a dress" is staggeringly dishonest once you know who the murderer actually is!

Still, it's a really useful way of identifying who has actually read the book and who hasn't. You can instantly dismiss anyone claiming that it is about a cross-dressing serial killer who disguises himself as a woman to lure his female victims.

SirSamVimesCityWatch · 20/10/2022 10:02

Yes she's absolutely brilliant at poking fun at people she knows will be hell bent on finding any kind of criticism they can to throw at her. It was a shame so few of the whiney little toads on twitter read IBH before they started screaming about it, perhaps they might have recognised their own behaviour in the pages. (Though probably not, not enough self awareness.)

Agree about the Silkworm showing a few insights into what she thinks too!

I can't wait to see what she does next. She said she wanted each book to be something new - so Troubled Blood was a cold case, IBH looked at online worlds, plus it was online content with the cartoon being on YouTube, as opposed to her original idea of it being a comic, because she'd done the publishing industry in the silkworm so wanted to do something different. Where's she going after this, I wonder!?

(Please let it be somewhere with lots of Robin/Strike sexual tension!)

IndominusRex · 20/10/2022 13:51

Career of evil also brilliant with the transablism aspect.

BaconAndAvocado · 20/10/2022 15:38

SirSamVimesCityWatch second the Robin/Strike sexual tension!

soulinablackberrypie · 21/10/2022 15:53

This one will be hard to adapt for television, won't it? How would you deal with all the online stuff?

SirSamVimesCityWatch · 21/10/2022 17:39

Good point, soul, it seems it's been quite hard to do as an audio book from the people on this thread who have it in that format, god knows how to get it to work onscreen?!

ReneBumsWombats · 21/10/2022 20:00

soulinablackberrypie · 21/10/2022 15:53

This one will be hard to adapt for television, won't it? How would you deal with all the online stuff?

Possibly over shoulders with figures in shadow in dark rooms, maybe split screens. It's hard, though. I expect they'll simplify the exchanges a lot.

EmpressaurusWitchDoesntBurn · 21/10/2022 23:09

soulinablackberrypie · 21/10/2022 15:53

This one will be hard to adapt for television, won't it? How would you deal with all the online stuff?

Apropos of nothing, I like your username. Another great set of books.

soulinablackberrypie · 22/10/2022 07:53

Empress thank you! I re-read them last year and they have stood up well.

lbnblbnb · 22/10/2022 09:48

I liked this article about private investigators in Manchester, lots of echoes of Strike:

https://manchestermill.co.uk/p/suspect-your-spouse-is-cheating-embroiled?utmsource=post-email-title&publicationnid=45869&postid=79813020&isFreemail=true&utmmmedium=email

KillingMeDeftly · 23/10/2022 09:23

I recently finished IBH and really enjoyed it. I love how JKR skewers the MRA and incel culture, as well as the self-diagnosed "spoonies" who spend all their time online.

Agree that Strike and Robin aren't ready to be together yet. They're clearly in love with each other but he's a mess and seems incapable of forming a successful relationship. Perhaps finally getting over Charlie's is his first step on the path to redemption.

One thing that annoys me about JKR's writing style is when the dialogue is written in the characters' accents eg Gus was all "I fort I was wiv 'er" etc, Janice in Troubled Blood was the same. I find it really jarring to read and I wish she didn't do this!

BobinogBobbleHat · 25/10/2022 21:04

I've just finished a re-read (at a less frantic and more sensible pace) of TIBH and I think I'm still missing how Anomie and Morehouse came to know each other and build the game together.

I was sure there was a brief reference but thought I'd skimmed over it in my first, fast read. But either I've missed it again or it's not really explained.

Has anyone seen what I've missed?