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TheInkBlackHeart · 31/08/2022 10:34

Right I hope the title gives it away. Spoilers ahoy after / during reading Galbraith's The Ink Black Heart.

I swear if someone complains about spoilers now I'll lose it Grin

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EmpressaurusWitchDoesntBurn · 10/09/2022 13:35

Prometheus · 08/09/2022 21:32

I think Madeline is pregnant despite her getting drunk in the final scene together. I also wonder if there is something wrong with Strike in terms of health - we never did get to hear about the blood test results for the twitchy leg and face.

Fuck, I never thought of that.

You'd expect Strike to be extremely careful about contraception, given what his childhood was like, but whether he is or not’s never been covered.

OhAmBackAgain · 10/09/2022 14:08

nah, I don't see Mandolin being pregnant a viable plot line. She a single mum of a teenager, and as a mum of teens there is no way on earth I'd risk getting caught pregnant and going back to baby days! plus her and strike are not together so even in the slim possibility Stike and her contraception failed, I'd think she'd quietly have an abortion and carry on concentrating and getting on with her career.

DrekIsLonelikk · 10/09/2022 16:20

I think Strike and Robyn both have to do a lot of work on themselves before they are ready to get together. Robyn developed loads in this book, but she admitted herself on the “date” with Pez that she is lacking in sexual confidence and experience, that’s probably why she feels inferior to Strike, knowing how much experience he has. A relationship or a few short flings are hopefully coming her way.

Strike has to work on himself mentally and physically too, he admitted he’s woefully unhealthy and has a lot of issues with relationships.

They both need a lot more development before they’d be successful as a couple, if anything happened with them now it would be a disaster!

DrekIsLonelikk · 10/09/2022 16:26

Also, am I the only one who found Pez quite sexy? He’s the kind of guy you have an amazing shag with but feel quite dirty about it afterwards 😂

awwbiscuits · 10/09/2022 19:00

DrekIsLonelikk · 10/09/2022 16:26

Also, am I the only one who found Pez quite sexy? He’s the kind of guy you have an amazing shag with but feel quite dirty about it afterwards 😂

Oh god I was physically cringing reading that part and thinking oh Robin, please don't!

ReneBumsWombats · 10/09/2022 21:07

Why didn't Strike ask Yasmin for Anomie's login details when she admitted she'd been impersonating him in-game? Seems like useful information.

MrsJagoRoss · 10/09/2022 23:15

I agree with PPs I would like to have had updates on characters like Kea and Josh etc. And some kind of reassurance that Tim Ashcroft would get his comeuppance.

One (of many) things that JKR does so well is to show that male behaviour and attitudes to women are a spectrum and misogyny is widespread when you consider all its forms. It’s not just one male baddy and if we get him we’re all safe.

I hope it was cathartic to write as it feels it would have been! She has more than earnt it IMO.

ISmellLikeRobin · 10/09/2022 23:59

I actually quite like that we don't get to hear updates on the other characters. I imagine that's what their job would be like - you do the job you're paid for, report any other crimes to the police & walk away. You wouldn't always get closure on all the rabbit holes your investigation took you down & would have to learn to just let it go & move on. Life doesn't get tied up in neat little bows & it makes it seem more realistic to me if their cases don't either!

@DrekIsLonelikk you're not the only one... I both wanted & really didn't want her to go home with him. On the one hand, a ONS might have been good for her to gain confidence, but it could also have been triggering & set her back.

WobblyLondoner · 11/09/2022 10:10

Just finished on Audible. Gripping but agree some of the side stories could have been pruned. Good to know however that Charlotte surely gone now. I did wonder about Gus quite early on but didn't see the final reveal coming until quite late!

Quite an insight into some of the misogynistic horrors that go on within online life (a topic JKR has a lot of experience of). And I thought the writing focused on how author's stories take on a life of their own once a dedicated group of fans get involved (and how those fans can be a total blessing and a curse) was really insightful.

I found the online stuff hard on Audible as I know if I was reading I'd just skim all those user names that were laboriously read out.

And my god Robert Glennister isn't very good on Scottish accents! But otherwise he was just perfect.

Steeling myself to have a chat with my mum who loves the series but, at 85, I know will struggle with this one - both the nature of the content and the technicalities (online games, Twitter).

WobblyLondoner · 11/09/2022 10:19

One thing that struck me early on was the faith everyone had that a 'private channel' was just that - surely theoretically possible for the creator/controlller to view chats. Not saying that happened but it did seem odd that nobody, not even Robin and Strike, considered it as possible.

ReneBumsWombats · 11/09/2022 11:11

WobblyLondoner · 11/09/2022 10:19

One thing that struck me early on was the faith everyone had that a 'private channel' was just that - surely theoretically possible for the creator/controlller to view chats. Not saying that happened but it did seem odd that nobody, not even Robin and Strike, considered it as possible.

I was wondering if that was going to be one of the twists...that none of the channels were actually private.

MrsJagoRoss · 11/09/2022 11:37

On Pat I had Melanie Hill in my head. Particularly her character in an episode of the Thick of It where she plays a member of the public, roped into a party conference. She’s (Understandably!) so unimpressed and more and more pissed off as the day goes on.

Lunde · 11/09/2022 12:36

WobblyLondoner · 11/09/2022 10:19

One thing that struck me early on was the faith everyone had that a 'private channel' was just that - surely theoretically possible for the creator/controlller to view chats. Not saying that happened but it did seem odd that nobody, not even Robin and Strike, considered it as possible.

Yes that really struck me that the Admin would have access to all the channels and that several characters in the game might be one person,

bogoblin · 11/09/2022 16:15

It was Morehouse, who was a coding genius, that coded the game though. I assume he made it so the channels were private - because Anomie drafted in BorkledDrek as mod because he had coding skills, announced that there would be no more private channels, but then we saw an exchange between them where BorkledDrek said basically he wasn't a good enough coder to get rid of them.

AppropriateAdult · 11/09/2022 17:42

Hello all, have just finished the book and immediately came looking for this thread. Am utterly bereft now, I haven't enjoyed a reading experience so much in ages.

Some thoughts:

For such a long book, it didn't feel bloated or overwritten to me. Would happily have read on. I would have liked a longer coda at the end.

The lack of relationship progression between Strike and Robin was frustrating, but in the best, prolonging-the-agony way. Am presuming they won't get together until the last book. Are we sure there are only ten, by the way? I thought JKR had said 'at least ten' initially, but maybe I'm wrong.

I guessed Anomie was either Gus or Katya fairly early on; there was an in-game message where Anomie says something like "Have to drive someone to the hospital, God forbid they take public transport", which mirrored an earlier IRL conversation between Katya and Gus. Was glad it was Gus in the end - it wouldn't have made sense, after a long and perfectly executed depiction of online misogyny, for Anomie to then turn out to be a woman.

On that, JKR absolutely nailed Incel Twitter. I wonder how many of those Tweets were taken word for word from ones that she has received...

Had the same thoughts as many of you about the possibility of Anomie being multiple people, and the use of scheduled Tweets.

The only real bum note in the whole book for me: I was reeeeallly uncomfortable with how Strike (and, to a lesser extent, Robin) handled the discovery that Jago was beating his children, and how long it took them to do anything about it. I couldn't really believe that nobody made an immediate call to child services the first time they had credible evidence that this grown man was punching his young daughters in the face. Was actually hoping that one of the children would be killed or seriously injured and Strike and Robin would have a moment of horrified revelation that they had let their concerns for the agency override their duty to protect these kids. I know Robin did raise it once or twice with Strike, but it was pretty feeble, and his priority was absolutely protecting himself and his business, which she seemed to agree was the most important thing. Really disappointing.

Am sure I have more thoughts, but this post is long enough already!

AppropriateAdult · 11/09/2022 17:53

Few more things:

Would have liked to know how Anomie and Morehouse met. Also, why all the emphasis on “She’s my sister”?? Did M really think A was a woman? That bit didn’t really make sense to me.

On the ableism thing - I think people are clearly referring not to JKR’s depictions of Strike’s disability, which are excellent, but to Strike’s (and presumably JKR’s) obvious scepticism of self-diagnosed ‘spoonies’, as personified in Kea Niven and (to some extent) Inigo Upcott. I’d imagine there are widely varying opinions on whether this is ableist or not, based on your own experience of these conditions.

CormoranStrike · 11/09/2022 18:17

I think Madeline is pregnant.

I think strike has MS or MND.

AppropriateAdult · 11/09/2022 18:22

CormoranStrike · 11/09/2022 18:17

I think Madeline is pregnant.

I think strike has MS or MND.

MND was what came to mind immediately, but, I mean - bloody hell. I really hope not, what a way to end the series 🫢
Then when the doctor started talking about psychogenic causes I hoped that was the road they were going down instead.

CormoranStrike · 11/09/2022 18:35

Didn’t JKR’s own mum have a disease like that? I wondered if the symptoms she was flagging up were from her own history

ReneBumsWombats · 11/09/2022 18:49

AppropriateAdult · 11/09/2022 17:53

Few more things:

Would have liked to know how Anomie and Morehouse met. Also, why all the emphasis on “She’s my sister”?? Did M really think A was a woman? That bit didn’t really make sense to me.

On the ableism thing - I think people are clearly referring not to JKR’s depictions of Strike’s disability, which are excellent, but to Strike’s (and presumably JKR’s) obvious scepticism of self-diagnosed ‘spoonies’, as personified in Kea Niven and (to some extent) Inigo Upcott. I’d imagine there are widely varying opinions on whether this is ableist or not, based on your own experience of these conditions.

It might be ableist if that was the only depiction of disability in the books, but what with Strike and Vikas Bhardwaj, I think she's been very broad and realistic.

Kea was an accurate depiction of the kind of vulnerable young woman you get on places like Tumblr, who does have genuine mental health problems but has a tendency to define herself by them and not do all she could to manage them. The letter she wrote was a good example of the self-centredness such people often have, although it's not malicious in any way. Her beauty was probably a main reason why she was indulged in it a lot. Inigo was an arsehole but I think it would be to the books' detriment if every character with a protected characteristic was a saint.

There's absolutely nothing in the books that I can see that suggests negative views of people with disabilities. Just that they come in as wide a range of humanity as any other class of person.

AppropriateAdult · 11/09/2022 19:23

I don’t think for a moment that JKR has negative views of people with disabilities. I do think that Strike would not consider someone like Kea, for example, to actually have a disability, and this stance is what I’d imagine some people are considering ‘ableist’.

BorkledDrek · 11/09/2022 20:24

JKR's mum had MS - she has given loads of money to research into it.

BorkledDrek · 11/09/2022 20:25

I have a chronic health condition (which I never mention online) and avoid online support groups because of people like Kea so although it grates slightly I do know where as she is coming from.

User478 · 11/09/2022 21:19

I wonder if Anomie and Moorhouse met through his dad's forum?

PaperwhiteTheGhost · 11/09/2022 21:31

Finished this morning!

Loved it. Pretty much everything I've thought has already been said upthread.

I actually don't think Strike and Robin should get together. My work partner is a close friend and if we got together it would ruin our working relationship. Some people are better as friends.

I thought it was Nils for ages, and then Katya riiiiiight till the very end.

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