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Weaning vegetarian/vegan style (anti-allergenic) - any tips???

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MamaTama · 30/05/2008 21:30

My DS is now 8 1/2 months old & has been tasting food since about 5 months & eating it for real since around 6 months.

I'm a lifelong vegetarian & want to bring him up the same way but am finding the weaning process a bit difficult.

I know quite a lot about adult nutrition & have applied this to my own diet with good results (I am very seldom sick & have no long-term health problems) but as far as feeding an infant is concerned am not very confident that what I prepare for him will meet all his needs (calories, vitamins, minerals & protein).

I was previously asthmatic but got rid of it using a combination of vegan foods & practicing yoga breathing techniques & also had bouts of eczema & psoriasis in my earlier years which have thankfully now disappeared. My father has severe hayfever & my sister & her daughter both have allergies too, added to which there is also a history of allergy in his father's family so with this in mind I have decided to play safe & not introduce any of the main allergy-provoking foods (particularly peanuts & other tree nuts, dairy products, wheat & soya) to my son's diet too soon.

This didn't cause any difficulty during the first stage of weaning as I was giving him mostly fruit & veg purees & brown baby rice porridge, but as the weeks go by I am becoming concerned that he is not getting adequate amounts of the essential dietary elements.

He has been fully BFed since birth & I plan to continue for as long as possible up to about 2 years, but I am aware that as time passes my milk has less & less nutritional value.

I've bought several books about raising vegetarian babies & toddlers but as far as I've been able to gather most advocate introducing milk & other dairy products &/or tofu at this stage to meet growing protein requirements. I have recently read a couple of articles about non-fermented soya products & the oestrogenic content of ordinary soya derived foods which have caused me to be extremely cautious about feeding it to Jahleel, especially at such a young age.

At present I usually give him some sort of porridge type meal for breakfast (rice, quinoa or millet so far) with different fruit purees (& sometimes the cooking water from sweet-tasting veggies I've boiled or steamed for him the day before).

Lunch isn't fully established yet but he snacks on rice cakes & spelt crackers with a piece of fruit to nibble on (he's teething so I think this is as much for the comfort as for the actual eating) around noon/early afternoon depending on what we're up to. I give him similar things during the day but it depends on his mood whether or not he accepts or rejects them!

In the evening he has veg puree (I'm trying to make these rougher mash type texture but sometimes he refuses them unless they're smooth). I'm also finding this hard as he hasn't shown much enthusiasm for more savoury tastes & I'm aware I should now be aiming to guide him towards eating things that I myself would normally eat. I've tried cooking non-wheat pasta for him with a tomato sauce but he hated it, ditto for mashed beans. He has taken a small amount of brown rice grains when I was eating a wholefood sushi ball but literally only 4 or 5 grains at a time & he soon decided he'd had enough.

I know that finger foods are important but he sometimes refuses to try them, instead either throwing or flicking them off his high chair tray before he's even tasted them. I understand that babies like exploring textures etc. with their hands so am not unduly concerned or upset when he squashes things between his fingers etc. but I've watched so much good food go to waste all the while wondering if he's going to end up with some kind of deficiency.

I'm still BFing on demand & the frequency & quantity of milk feeds varies a lot but since he won't often drink much water or weak herbal teas I'm happy to continue with that, especially with the warmer weather as I don't want him to be dehydrated. Think I'm going to start offering him diluted juice with his meals soon though so maybe that'll replace some of the BM he's currently taking.

The Health Visitors at the clinic I go to are very conventional & do not know much at all about veggie/vegan nutrition so I don't expect too much info or support from them.

What I'd really like is to hear from real people who have had & overcome similar issues or who know a bit more about the theory & practicalities of negotiating this important transition who can advise me what to do...

Sorry for the long post but I figured if I was going to ask for help I should give as much background as possible. I already put this up on the general food topic board so have had a few responses but the more the better!

Thanks in advance to anyone who replies!

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morethanmum · 02/06/2008 08:18

MamaTama - v good idea re: rice. Mine love couscous, and I just bought some quinoa yesterday...not sure what to put it with? Yoghurt and fruit for breakfast? Will also be buying book - hoe exciting. Am just going to log on to Amazon...

MamaTama · 02/06/2008 10:14

PS Pinata:
I made a nice porridge type thing for DS this morning blending up pre-soaked Lerida (softish, natural) figs, just the gooey inside bit as the skin doesn't always blend well plus a ripe pear then mixing that with some baby rice/quinoa powder. He liked it & I was more than happy to finish off the leftovers!

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MamaTama · 02/06/2008 21:30

The only limits are your imagination & you sound like you're not short on that Pinata (I'm intrigued by your name: are you Mexican/Latin American?)!

Quinoa grains (as opposed to flakes which is what you make the porridge from) have a nutty kind of flavour & retain their shape, texture & 'bite' after cooking, they just swell & become more tender, with the outer layer expanding slightly. One good tip is to soak it in water overnight or for at least a few hours overnight before cooking over moderate heat for about 20 mins. Turn off cooker keeping lid on & just let it steam for another 15-20 mins. If it's for savoury dishes you can add stock or whatever to the cooking water so it soaks in nicely.

Quinoa is one of the most important plant sources of protein so make sure that your DCs chew the grains well so they can digest it properly (& it not just pass straight through IYKWIM).

Season it simply with any oil you like, lemon, salt & pepper for a quick & easy salad or warm accompaniment to another dish; make up seasoning mixes such as Moroccan style, Indian style, Chinese style & add fresh herbs (parsley, coriander, spring onion respectively) to 'lift' the flavours to another level (it's good to do the day before & let the quinoa absorb the spices etc).
The above applies equally to any grain you have to hand, as you go you'll see which combinations are most popular with you family.
I like it with a bit of soy sauce, wasabi & sesame seeds/finely chopped spring onion but maight be a bit strong for kids.

As for the porridge, like I said, both quinoa & millet flakes cook up a bit 'mealy' which some people might not like, but that's easily remedied with a whizz of the blender. Cook together with dried fruit or date syrup to sweeten the mixture & add vanilla, cinammon etc. if you like too. You could definitely try it with yoghurt & fresh fruit, as I said whatever you imagine just give it a go (in smallish quantities in case you're not keen to limit wastage, if it's a hit you can always make more)...
Be interested to hear how you get on!

BTW: I bought the book you recommended on Amazon yesterday before I read your last post (plus a couple of others which came up as titles I'd probably enjoy - both vegan - 1 Caribbean & 1 East African cookery, naughty I know but I couldn't resist). I'll let you know what I think when they arrive (& I get time to paint the kitchen & get my dear Baby Belling up & running)!

Chat again soon...

PS No answer to my non-wheat pasta question yet: I'm assuming everyone else's been equally disgusted by the alternatives then?

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pinata · 03/06/2008 07:54

oh, i love quinoa - i have already been adding it to DD's purees, before pureeing. i may go and get flakes for that purpose in fact. hoping to use it instead of pasta etc over the next month as i want to avoid wheat and as a veggie i want DD to have plenty of protein

do you have any plans on when you will try wheat etc? i want DD to eat dairy and wheat eventually, but don't want to introduce it too early. wheat free pasta is quite disgusting - i agree with you, but have no alternative suggestions.

i can't believe you manage to make all those lovely things on your baby belling - very impressive.

i hope you enjoy the book - i recommended it to a friend recently who was diagnosed with dairy, sugar and wheat intolerance and was dreading having nothing tasty to eat. she loved it

PS - i had to laugh re the name question - it's actually just from an xbox game that DSD loves. although sometimes i do feel a bit pinata-like - especially after a long day at work

MamaTama · 03/06/2008 10:53

LOL re: the name thing!

What work do you do? When did you go back?

I just resigned least week after 9 years teaching at the same school. A big decision, but I think the right one for me & DS. Money's going to be tight from here on in so it's even more important to prepare food myself instead of buying ready-made (I that's what I prefer anyway).

Wheat: I'm not sure exactly when I'm going to introduce it, but certainly not til well after Jahleel is 1 year old. In the meantime I've tried him with spelt, which is an ancient relative of wheat & still contains a bit of gluten but apparently is much easier to digest: no problems there which is reassuring. He has a little biscotte kind of cracker as a snack which is quite hard but he sucks on it/gums it/scrapes at it with his (1st & only) tooth!

As to dairy, I'll be holding off on that for considerably longer if I give it to him at all as I think that was what provoked my own childhood allergies & if/when he does start eating it I'm much more likely to favour goat's & sheep's milk products because of the relatively high beta casein content as opposed to alpha caseins which cause much of the problewms with milk sensitivity in humans (cow's milk contains predominantly alpha).

I was offered a new 'proper' cooker (big, free-standing, with 4 rings, seperate grill & oven) by a good friend (who loves my cooking & obviously has a vested interest!) when my old faithful BB finally gave up the ghost just before we moved but I opted to get another Baby Belling instead, which he couldn't understand. Before, I was living in a tiny Edwardian bedsit with an even tinier kitchen space so had no choice but now I have a real kitchen I still like the simplicity of the BB: if you learn how to order the different parts of cooking a meal & really make the most of each function of the BB you don't need anything else!

Hope you enjoy your book too! Maybe 1 day we could meet up for a cookathon!

Mamatama

PS How old are your DCs? I get that the youngest is still a baby but how old is she?

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MamaTama · 03/06/2008 10:59

Let me write that paragraph again without the overtired errors:
I just resigned least last week after 9 years teaching at the same school. A big decision, but I think the right one for me & DS. Money's going to be tight from here on in so it's even more important to prepare food myself instead of buying ready-made (I that's what I prefer anyway). Thank G_d my (ex-)students don't read this!
Oh no, proble-w-ms! What's going on with my spelling today?!

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pinata · 03/06/2008 15:44

nooooo - not back at work yet. stretching it as long as possible. probably go back end of october at the earliest. i'm a marketing manager. i can't imagine going back, but have to, really. are you looking to do something else now or will you take a bit of time off?

DD is 6 months, DSD is 11 - trying to keep both entertained at once is quite a fun thing

on statutory maternity pay at the moment so feel like scrimping a bit and making own food is far better than using the plum pots, which are pretty much the only ready made baby food i give DD. I almost fall over in shock every time i read the ingredients on some of the things you can buy, espcially anything made by Heinz

interesting re the spelt - i might try that. DD is ff, so i already know she has a problem with milk - i'll avoid giving her any more for a while longer yet, i think. i do want her to have as mainstream a diet as possible though, as i remember my own childhood being blighted by my mum's (with hindsight very sensible) food ways. the good thing is i now know all about nutrition etc, the downside was i would go round to other kids' houses and just be DYING for the biscuit tin to make an appearance

you're doing well on the baby belling - i'm impressed because we had one for a while, and i struggled to even see into the pots, being not that tall. i didn;t make my best dishes on it, if i remember correctly...

LavenderMist · 03/06/2008 22:36

My 'baby dahl' went down well with my 6 month old yesterday. Just softened an onion, added red lentils and water. Cooked until mushy then added a lump of creamed coconut and lots of chopped spinach. He loved it! Pudding was a whole strawberry (the hull makes a great thumb hole for easy grasping) -lots of vit C to help the iron absorb.
Breakfast is currently rice/quinoa flakes made into porridge with rice milk -he wolfs this down without any extra sweetening, although we do always give a piece of fruit as well.
Hope these ideas help -lots of good stuff on this thread. Although I am not raising my son vegetarian I was veggie for 15 years so I'm not very good at cooking meat!

MamaTama · 05/06/2008 02:05

Pinata:
I hear you re: stat maternity pay: mine ended last week & the DWP still haven't decided if/when they're going to give me Income Support, which is even less but at least I'll get my rent paid! I've worked virtually non-stop since I left school, even whilst doing my degree, & sometimes two or more jobs at once so feel no way about claiming benefit for a while to be with Jahleel, I dread to think how much tax the Government's had off me over the years & most of it was probably spent on stuff that either I oppose or am indifferent about (especially weapons!).

I'm not looking to go back to work for at least another year but am in the process of trying to set up a wholefood/natural products co-op on the estate where I live so that will be a job of sorts: helping the local community eat/live more healthily & reducing my grocery bill at the same time!

I've been thinking about how it's going to be with Jahleel too as he gets older if I make his diet too radical.
Any thoughts/comments from mums who've either gone that route or who've opted to be a bit more mainstream as Pinata puts it?

Waiting (im)patiently for the cookbook to arrive!

LavenderMist:
Thanks for joining the thread.
I love dahl & am thinking maybe Jahleel is ready for some stew or mild curry now (I've been trying to ease him in gently & haven't introduced pulses as yet but today we were both eating rice crackers, I turned away for a minute & when I looked back he had his face in an almost empty tub of wasabi houmous. He tasted it himself then I offered him a bit more on my finger & he took 2 more small mouthfulls before giving me "enough" signals, which in my book is quite good for a first attempt).
Would be great if he does start eating beans & lentils now, you can make so much with them & they're a great protein food when mixed with grains...

Still no news re: hemp protein for babies from MNers but I emailed a specialist hemp website the other day to see if they could advise me, I'll post up any info I get if they reply.

Riven:
How are you & yours doing? Did you get some hemp powder for your DD?

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MamaTama · 15/06/2008 12:48

This hemp protein thing is a mystery, no-one has responded, neither here or in RL. I've decided I'm going to give DS some anyway, just a small amount to see how he reacts if at all. It's so nutritious I really want him to have it regularly if his system can take it...

Tried him with barley couscous (most is made from wheat in this country but the health food shops have other kinds) the other day, mixed with a nice soft stew of butternut squash, passata (blended tomatoes), apricots, onion & spinach cooked down with olive oil & seasoned with a tiny bit of cinammon: he absolutely loved it & had more the following evening!

We were at a festival last weekend & he had corn on the cod boiled in water with hot pepper from a friend's food stall, I was a bit cautious but he obviously wanted what I was having & once he tasted it just kept putting his arms out for more!

Planning to start pre-soaking a nut & wheat-free home made muesli mix for his breakfast too instead of porridge now the weather seems to have finally settled on summer!

Any interesting ideas out there for warm weather dishes I can share with baby.

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